OT: Legal pot. Day one.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi] I know of this old man living in a rented apartment. He sounds educated and claims to have worked on mega business deals. But now, he’s reduced to a pathetic life. His only pleasures are pot smoking and feeding pigeons…[/quote]

Feeding pigeons, if the stereotype is true, is the only pleasure of a lot of old people. That guy’s marijuana smoking puts him one up on them.

[JPJones]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I’m all for drug legalization. Let people kill themselves if they want but they should be considerate of other people in the process.

Here’s what I observed in a condo complex.

Druggies always have domestic issues with noise and other unsavory guests coming around.

Marijuana smoke is really bad and seeps into wall cavities and into neighboring units, especially in old “shit hole” condo/apartment buildings. You have to seal all the electrical outlets in the “sender” and “receipient” units.

Potheads can smell pot a kilometer away and know exactly where to buy it. Within hours of moving into a unit, this dude knew which unit to buy his stuff. Security cameras don’t lie. And, no, they didn’t know each other ahead of time.

Pot makes people drowsy and not more productive. How are we supposed to compete with China in education and sheer hardwork?

Pot makes people paranoid and likely to believe conspiracy theories and fake news. I know of one real instance where a woman thinks “the powers that be” are persecuting her. No, she brings it onto herself by bringing men who cause commotion and smooch off of her.

I foresee the downfall of America. If we want to remain #1, we need to get our act together and study hard and work hard like they do in Singapore. Gettin’ fat and high ain’t gonna cut it.[/quote]

Nice satire! Can you do one on alcohol, too?

[FlyerInHi]

I don’t dispute that marijuana should be legal. Yes, alcohol is worse and it’s legal.

However, now that marijuana is legal there are unintended consequences that we need to deal with.

First, marijuana used to be on the downlow, now, it’s in your face. People are demanding their rights to smoke, often out of ignorance. No matter the medical condition, it’s absolutely not allowed to smoke in a rental without the owner’s express permission. It’s not ok to smoke near doors and windows.

Marijuana is a new legal sin on top of old sins like alcohol and tobacco. We need to take steps to stop it from becoming epidemic or socially cool. What California has done really well, as compared to other developed countries, is decrease the rate of tobacco smoking. We should learn from that and have policies to limit “sinful” behavior.

It’s love to see more research on marijuana and Alzheimer’s and mental health. To me, there’s something wrong with people who need substances to be “happy.” it’s all a state of mind and you can train your mind to be happy with what you have. meditation would be better, IMO.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

First, marijuana used to be on the downlow, now, it’s in your face. People are demanding their rights to smoke, often out of ignorance. No matter the medical condition, it’s absolutely not allowed to smoke in a rental without the owner’s express permission. It’s not ok to smoke near doors and windows.
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It could be you’re the ignorant one, Brian. Everything I’ve read says that a landlord can ban smoking or illegal drugs (including marijuana, as it is against federal law), but I haven’t seen anything that says a renter needs the owner’s express permission to use marijuana. Can you show me that? And where are you getting the “doors and windows” thing from?
[quote=FlyerInHi]

Marijuana is a new legal sin on top of old sins like alcohol and tobacco. We need to take steps to stop it from becoming…socially cool.
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That ship sailed long ago, Brian.

[quote=FlyerInHi]

To me, there’s something wrong with people who need substances to be “happy.” it’s all a state of mind and you can train your mind to be happy with what you have.
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How do you know you wouldn’t be happier with marijuana, Brian? You know, a lot of people find that marijuana makes them less uptight and judgmental. You seem like you could use some help on both counts.

[quote=FlyerInHi]

meditation would be better, IMO.
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I find twice daily meditation and occasional marijuana use to be a great combination.

[FlyerInHi]

No smoking rules includes no smoking of any kind. Tenants who have medical marijuana needs don’t seem to undernstand that. Or they use “medical” as a trump card. No can do.

I believe there are laws against smoking within 20 feet of doors and windows. People should not be smoking where the smoke can blow into other people’s spaces. Even where there are no laws against that, there are potential civil liabilities for taking away neighbors’ quiet and peaceful enjoyment of their homes.

I could be happier with marijuana. But I’m concerned with maximum health so I purposely don’t consume things. I don’t want to get Alzheimer’s. Plus I think rigor is good for character. We should not indulge all our desires.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

No smoking rules includes no smoking of any kind. Tenants who have medical marijuana needs don’t seem to undernstand that. Or they use “medical” as a trump card. No can do.

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Ok, so you made up the part about “express permission.” If there’s no rule against smoking, or if the tenant is partaking of edibles, they don’t need permission.

[quote=FlyerInHi]
I believe there are laws against smoking within 20 feet of doors and windows.

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Ok, so you made that up, too.

[quote=FlyerInHi]
I could be happier with marijuana. But I’m concerned with maximum health so I purposely don’t consume things. I don’t want to get Alzheimer’s. [/quote]

Fire up a j, Brian! The latest research shows that THC reduced levels of beta amyloid in the brain, stopping an inflammatory response that kills brain cells in those with Alzheimer’s disease.

https://www.alzheimers.net/6-15-15-effects-of-medical-marijuana-on-alzheimers/

[quote=FlyerInHi]

People should not be smoking where the smoke can blow into other people’s spaces. Even where there are no laws against that, there are potential civil liabilities for taking away neighbors’ quiet and peaceful enjoyment of their homes.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]
Plus I think rigor is good for character. We should not indulge all our desires.
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Have you seen “The Man in the High Castle,” Brian? The premise of that tv show is that Germany and Japan won World War II and the eastern 2/3 of the U.S. is controlled by Germany and is called the greater nazi reich. It’s not really that good of a show, but the premise is fascinating. Anyway, I think you’d like living in the reich as it’s portrayed on that show. It really does sound right up your alley.

Just because you think rigor is more important than enjoyment doesn’t mean you have to try to step on everybody else’s enjoyment. You always seem to want or maybe even to expect everybody to have the exact same values you have. I can’t decide whether you’re more like a nazi or just a super-uptight old fuddy duddy.

[phaster]

this article caught my eye

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California’s Pension Fund Says No to Tobacco Stocks but Yes to Marijuana Stocks

…The California Public Employees’ Retirement System, the biggest pension fund in the U.S., won’t invest in tobacco companies. But apparently it doesn’t have an issue with marijuana producers.

The fund’s third-quarter filing of holdings to the Securities and Exchange Commission shows that it has a small position in Tilray stock (TLRY). As of Sept. 30, the pension fund, commonly known as Calpers, owned 1,617 shares of the Canadian maker of cannabis for medical and recreational adult use.

…In 2000, Calpers sold its positions in tobacco stocks and imposed a limited ban on investing in tobacco-related companies. Recently, the fund estimated that it missed out on $3 billion in returns through 2014 because of that decision. That’s money Calpers could have used: As of last year, it had a $138.5 billion unfunded liability.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/calpers-buys-marijuana-stock-tilray-51544551613
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any opinion(s) about politicians and the bureaucracy encourage toking up (w/ legal pot) to make taxpayers/voters less aware of systemic corruption/mismanagement?!

[FlyerInHi]

Zk, I think I’m looking at legal 420 through a different lens.

For you legal 420 is enjoyment and freedom. That’s fine in good neighborhoods and for people who have means, people who are educated and considerate.

But legal 420 in low income neighborhoods is more trouble. It’s one more thing to deal with on top of the dysfunction that’s there already. Time will tell…. maybe people won’t do the other drugs now that they have 420. Maybe they’ll mellow out.

I don’t think I’m a Nazi, but I like the Singapore model. They don’t have our drug problems nor do they have our incarceration problems. Plus everywhere is clean. I believe our culture is too permissive.

[scaredyclassic]

i feel the same way about people breaking the speed limit. if we just had the political will to execute speeders’ the country would be a lot safer’ just like singapore and its harsh stance on drugs

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]i feel the same way about people breaking the speed limit. if we just had the political will to execute speeders’ the country would be a lot safer’ just like singapore and its harsh stance on drugs[/quote]

The death penalty is inhuman. public caning might be enough….

Singapore’s top diplomat in the UK, Michael Teo, defended Singapore’s harsh drug laws by pointing to the country’s lower rates for drug use.

“8.2% of the UK population are cannabis abusers; in Singapore, it is 0.005%. For ecstasy, the figures are 1.8% for the UK and 0.003% for Singapore; and for opiates—such as heroin, opium, and morphine – 0.9% for the UK and 0.005% for Singapore,” claimed Teo. “We do not have traffickers pushing drugs openly in the streets, nor do we need to run needle exchange centers.”
https://www.tripsavvy.com/drug-laws-in-singapore-1629780

The free markets have spoken… Business don’t seem to mind as big corporations all have their regional headquarters in Singapore. Speed wise and traffic wise, they don’t have a problem. Cars have transponders that automatically charge demand pricing so traffic is very pleasant.

That said, Singapore is a small place and 95% of people have passports. People may experiment with drugs outside the country but they need to be clean before they come back. Back in the 1970s Singapore decided it would get rid of riff-raffs and it’s been very successful.

Here, HOAs have the right to heavily fine homeowners for health and safety violations but HOA board members are too permissible because they know their own tenants or relatives are violators.

[spdrun]

“Pleasant” == “boring.” Give me gritty, libertine, and somewhat corrupt (Amsterdam or Prague) over an antiseptic holier-than-thou shithole like Singapore.

[svelte]

The big news this year is what went on in very very Republican Oklahoma:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/la-na-oklahoma-pot-laws-20181222-story.html

If OK can go from zero to virtually no-holds-barred medical MJ in six months, then the south is probably not far behind.

Interesting how the OK gov tried to set the ballot initiative up for failure by putting it on the primary ballot (which tends to lean even more conservative) yet it passed at 57% – not even a close vote!

Then when the state tried to place strict limits on medical MJ they were taken to court and had to back down.

Also worth noting is there will be 45 medical MJ stores in the two largest OK college towns that have a combined population of 170K. !!! That’s waaay beyond the store density I’ve heard in any Calif city.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=svelte]The big news this year is what went on in very very Republican Oklahoma:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/la-na-oklahoma-pot-laws-20181222-story.html

If OK can go from zero to virtually no-holds-barred medical MJ in six months, then the south is probably not far behind.

Interesting how the OK gov tried to set the ballot initiative up for failure by putting it on the primary ballot (which tends to lean even more conservative) yet it passed at 57% – not even a close vote!

Then when the state tried to place strict limits on medical MJ they were taken to court and had to back down.

Also worth noting is there will be 45 medical MJ stores in the two largest OK college towns that have a combined population of 170K. !!! That’s waaay beyond the store density I’ve heard in any Calif city.[/quote]

The red states have more druggies than anywhere.

[scaredyclassic]

if u havent heard these 2 texas lawyers singing about texas weed law u r in 4 a treat…

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]if u havent heard these 2 texas lawyers singing about texas weed law u r in 4 a treat…
https://youtu.be/nQZRA7wft1I%5B/quote%5D

Haha. “Don’t turn a class B into a a felony.”

I like the other song what part of any don’t you understand.

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