OT: Legal pot. Day one.

[FlyerInHi]

I’m all for drug legalization. Let people kill themselves if they want but they should be considerate of other people in the process.

Here’s what I observed in a condo complex.

Druggies always have domestic issues with noise and other unsavory guests coming around.

Marijuana smoke is really bad and seeps into wall cavities and into neighboring units, especially in old “shit hole” condo/apartment buildings. You have to seal all the electrical outlets in the “sender” and “receipient” units.

Potheads can smell pot a kilometer away and know exactly where to buy it. Within hours of moving into a unit, this dude knew which unit to buy his stuff. Security cameras don’t lie. And, no, they didn’t know each other ahead of time.

Pot makes people drowsy and not more productive. How are we supposed to compete with China in education and sheer hardwork?

Pot makes people paranoid and likely to believe conspiracy theories and fake news. I know of one real instance where a woman thinks “the powers that be” are persecuting her. No, she brings it onto herself by bringing men who cause commotion and smooch off of her.

I foresee the downfall of America. If we want to remain #1, we need to get our act together and study hard and work hard like they do in Singapore. Gettin’ fat and high ain’t gonna cut it.

[scaredyclassic]

trumps a teetotaller.

sometimes the best thing to do is…nothing.

that said i agree pot is ridiculous. not for me. definitely not what i recall from the 70s. not drinking anymore either.

i think u need to be young and out and about. old with drugs is ridiculous

[FlyerInHi]

Agree so much with your philosophy, scaredy. Good point about old with drugs. I see lots of old people about 50 yo and up, on drugs, living as recluse inside their homes. The need to be out and about.

I learned a new word watching the French propests. You’re a “bobo” or bourgeois boheme. You’re not “boeuf”.

[zk]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

i think u need to be young and out and about. old with drugs is ridiculous[/quote]

Old with marijuana is fantastic. It makes music better, it makes jokes funnier, it makes movies better. It makes golf and body surfing and softball – and pretty much everything else – more fun.

There’s no real hangover to speak of, and it’s much, much, much less harmful to your body than alcohol.

A lot of people who drink get violent. I’ve never even heard of a person getting violent when they’re high. Alcohol, meth, coke, opiates. That shit’ll turn you into a fool and then kill you. With marijuana, sure, occasionally you’ll get paranoid. But only till you’re not high anymore. It’s not going to make you believe fake news or conspiracy theories.

For the most part, weed will make you happy for a while. And that’s pretty much all it’ll do.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

Pot makes people paranoid and likely to believe conspiracy theories and fake news. I know of one real instance where a woman thinks “the powers that be” are persecuting her. No, she brings it onto herself by bringing men who cause commotion and smooch off of her. [/quote]

You sound like a 1970s government advertisement against marijuana, Brian. Wildly uninformed and ridiculously dramatic.

[quote=FlyerInHi]
I foresee the downfall of America. If we want to remain #1, we need to get our act together and study hard and work hard like they do in Singapore. Gettin’ fat and high ain’t gonna cut it.[/quote]

If you feel the same way about alcohol

– only more strongly, because people abusing alcohol cost far more in terms of deaths, injuries, property damage, lost production, crime, homelessness, heartache, incarceration costs (not counting people who are in jail for marijuana dealing/possession crimes, as that’s the government’s decision), and pretty much any other metric you can think of –

then I’ll agree to disagree with you.

But if you think the dangers of marijuana are anywhere close to the dangers of alcohol, then I’m going to call you seriously uninformed.

[gzz]

We won’t know the dangers and social effects of people being able to smoke 80% THC process pot, cheaply and legally whenever they want, for a few years.

THC content historically was 5 to 10%. In new GMO strains up to 20%. And it can be purified to 100%.

Physical burn-out of the brain’s cannabinoid receptors seems like a real risk. Speed users permanently mess up their dopamine receptors, leading to parkinson’s type effects decades later, even if they stop completely.

I’d like a ban on all weed shop advertising, other than some very minimal ones that provide the physical location. Or even better, a government monopoly and high prices that deter heavy use.

[zk]

[quote=gzz]We won’t know the dangers and social effects of people being able to smoke 80% THC process pot, cheaply and legally whenever they want, for a few years.

THC content historically was 5 to 10%. In new GMO strains up to 20%. And it can be purified to 100%.

Physical burn-out of the brain’s cannabinoid receptors seems like a real risk. Speed users permanently mess up their dopamine receptors, leading to parkinson’s type effects decades later, even if they stop completely.

I’d like a ban on all weed shop advertising, other than some very minimal ones that provide the physical location. Or even better, a government monopoly and high prices that deter heavy use.[/quote]

High-grade marijuana has been common for at least 35 years. High-grade enough to get you just as baked as you want (if you had to smoke a bit more then than you do now, well, that’s what you did). Whether it’s legal or cheap has has no bearing on its effect on you, and there are uncountable people who have smoked high-grade marijuana regularly for decades.

You’re right that the effects on society of more people smoking (because it’s legal) are unknown. But if we’re going to restrict advertising of marijuana or to implement a government monopoly, it seems reasonable to place at least those same restrictions on alcohol, the effects of which we already know are devastating (and it seems hypocritical not to).

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=zk]

But if you think the dangers of marijuana are anywhere close to the dangers of alcohol, then I’m going to call you seriously uninformed.[/quote]

I agree that alcohol is more dangerous.

But I don’t like any kind of addition, including food addiction.

Weed does makes people paranoid. People hear voices and think that “the powers that be”. are watching them. One lady accused her landlord of calling the police on her. I told the landlord that the police document calls and if there was police contact with the tenant, there would be a case number. Clearly, the tenant made it up.

People can do whatever they want, but, for me, reality is good enough… no need to get high. Maybe I’m the abnormal one. I can’t watch any movie that doesn’t have a logical plot line.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
Weed does makes people paranoid. People hear voices and think that “the powers that be”. are watching them. One lady accused her landlord of calling the police on her. [/quote]

Wow. Doesn’t take much to convince you of something you want to believe, huh, Brian?

You’re assuming causation when you don’t even have evidence (let alone proof) of correlation.

Like I said, if you’re paranoid because of weed, it’ll only last as long as the effect of the drug does. If this lady continues to think her landlord called the police on her when she’s not high, it’s not the weed.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=zk][quote=FlyerInHi]

Like I said, if you’re paranoid because of weed, it’ll only last as long as the effect of the drug does. If this lady continues to think her landlord called the police on her when she’s not high, it’s not the weed.[/quote]

Well, the pothead lady starts her text storms when she’s high. The landlord is kinda like a mother hen who cares about the well being of her tenants. There’s a lot of disfunction — unsavory visitors, clear violations of the lease…. but the landlord won’t evict because the lady has nowhere to go. The landlord shows me the text messages.

The tenant has been silent about the police thing when landlord said “let’s call police togetherand follow up on the case”.

You don’t think people who are paranoid while high don’t keep some of the paranoia after?
My young cousin was smoking pot and getting paranoid. He said he would hear voices. He stopped. But he kinda believes in the deep state, like a cabal of people planning things. He’s a PhD scientist.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

You don’t think people who are paranoid while high don’t keep some of the paranoia after?
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No. Unless they’re schizophrenic.

[gzz]

“there are uncountable people who have smoked high-grade marijuana regularly for decades. ”

ZK, Mark Kleiman of UCLA has been writing about the topic of very heavy marijuana users for a while, and I find his work convincing. He is far from a drug warrior, and was hired by Wash state to implement its legalization. He is pretty concerned about the effects of legalization on this group, and also the easier access to young people to high THC product.

There really is evidence that heavy use is pretty bad for you. What it comes down to is whether the heavy users would have been heavy drinkers otherwise, in which case the substitution is a net positive.

[FlyerInHi]

I don’t see as much pot smoking in San Diego. But in Vegas, it’s epidemic. Dispensaries all over.
In San Diego it’s hard to live on disability. But in Vegas there are apartments for $500. Lots of people are getting high on disability which is around $800. They work odd jobs to make ends meet.

But rents have shot up in Vegas too and people are being pushed out of gentrifying areas.

Drugs are not harmless. We have a whole bunch of people wasting away. I know of this old man living in a rented apartment. He sounds educated and claims to have worked on mega business deals. But now, he’s reduced to a pathetic life. His only pleasures are pot smoking and feeding pigeons, the latter he’s being denied because of heavy HOA and Animal Control fines.

Yes, I realize that drugs will be with us no matter what the laws are. But there is something very wrong with our society that our citizens need drugs. Pet ownership and emotional support animals are booming also. Tenants are now resorting to not declaring their pets ahead of time. Then after they move in, they hit you with “here’s my emotional support animal”. Somebody who does that to me will get evicted for the most minor violation. Tenants also believe that having medical marijuana card allows them to smoke no matter the rules.

I think legal pot is a headache for landlords because the potheads are not respectful.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
I think legal pot is a headache for landlords because the potheads are not respectful.[/quote]

I haven’t noticed potheads to be less respectful then anyone else. Drunks, on the other hand…”disrespectful” is the least of your worries.

[zk]

[quote=gzz]”there are uncountable people who have smoked high-grade marijuana regularly for decades. ”

ZK, Mark Kleiman of UCLA has been writing about the topic of very heavy marijuana users for a while, and I find his work convincing. He is far from a drug warrior, and was hired by Wash state to implement its legalization. He is pretty concerned about the effects of legalization on this group, and also the easier access to young people to high THC product.

There really is evidence that heavy use is pretty bad for you. What it comes down to is whether the heavy users would have been heavy drinkers otherwise, in which case the substitution is a net positive.[/quote]

I wouldn’t disagree that there’s evidence that prolonged, heavy use is bad for you. Overdoing almost anything is bad. Overdoing marijuana is probably worse then overdoing a lot of non-drug things, but not as bad as overdoing most other drugs.

Light to maybe moderate use of marijuana seems to make a lot of people quite happy. And heavy use works for some people, too. Seth Rogen says, “it’s enhanced my life greatly.” But you’re right; there is a downside in that some people will overdo it.

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