OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[KSMountain]

You’ve had some interesting posts in this thread CONCHO.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
I’m getting really sick of Democrats trotting out this tired canard. Democrats have a majority in the House and Senate as well as their guy in the WH. They can pass ANY legislation that they want to pass without any Republican support.

Continuing to blame anything on the Republicans at this point just makes you look silly…[/quote]

Listen to David Brooks, a well-known conservative voice. Even he admits that Republicans are hell bent on obstruction.

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11206

I would much rather listen to reason that the one liners from the likes of Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
I’m getting really sick of Democrats trotting out this tired canard. Democrats have a majority in the House and Senate as well as their guy in the WH. They can pass ANY legislation that they want to pass without any Republican support.

Continuing to blame anything on the Republicans at this point just makes you look silly…[/quote]

Listen to David Brooks, a well-known conservative voice. Even he admits that Republicans are hell bent on obstruction.

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11206

I would much rather listen to reason that the one liners from the likes of Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
I’m getting really sick of Democrats trotting out this tired canard. Democrats have a majority in the House and Senate as well as their guy in the WH. They can pass ANY legislation that they want to pass without any Republican support.

Continuing to blame anything on the Republicans at this point just makes you look silly…[/quote]

Listen to David Brooks, a well-known conservative voice. Even he admits that Republicans are hell bent on obstruction.

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11206

I would much rather listen to reason that the one liners from the likes of Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
I’m getting really sick of Democrats trotting out this tired canard. Democrats have a majority in the House and Senate as well as their guy in the WH. They can pass ANY legislation that they want to pass without any Republican support.

Continuing to blame anything on the Republicans at this point just makes you look silly…[/quote]

Listen to David Brooks, a well-known conservative voice. Even he admits that Republicans are hell bent on obstruction.

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11206

I would much rather listen to reason that the one liners from the likes of Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
I’m getting really sick of Democrats trotting out this tired canard. Democrats have a majority in the House and Senate as well as their guy in the WH. They can pass ANY legislation that they want to pass without any Republican support.

Continuing to blame anything on the Republicans at this point just makes you look silly…[/quote]

Listen to David Brooks, a well-known conservative voice. Even he admits that Republicans are hell bent on obstruction.

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11206

I would much rather listen to reason that the one liners from the likes of Palin, Beck and Limbaugh.

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

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[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

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[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

+ 1000

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

+ 1000

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

+ 1000

[briansd1]

[quote=CONCHO]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

I absolutely agree with you on this CONCHO.

Let’s address the root cause of unauthorized immigration rather than demonize and punish the immigrants themselves. As you said, they are us.

[briansd1]

[quote=CONCHO]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

I absolutely agree with you on this CONCHO.

Let’s address the root cause of unauthorized immigration rather than demonize and punish the immigrants themselves. As you said, they are us.

[briansd1]

[quote=CONCHO]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

I absolutely agree with you on this CONCHO.

Let’s address the root cause of unauthorized immigration rather than demonize and punish the immigrants themselves. As you said, they are us.

[briansd1]

[quote=CONCHO]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

I absolutely agree with you on this CONCHO.

Let’s address the root cause of unauthorized immigration rather than demonize and punish the immigrants themselves. As you said, they are us.

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