OT: Ideas For Gun Owner Accountability

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[quote=moneymaker]I think before any action is taken we as a people need to ask ourselves,”would it have prevented the Newtown killings?” if the answer is no then why because of this incident are we willing to take such a stance.[/quote]

It is not ONLY about Newtown. As much as NRA would wish that it is ONLY about it, every past case of gun violence, mass shooting is also legitimately on the table!

Newtown is just a symptom – that existing regime about guns has failed! The disease is much bigger than Newtown.

[moneymaker]

Just heard on 10 news that a background check is only required by commercial gun dealers, doesn’t sound right to me because I wouldn’t think selling among individuals could be done without going through someone with an FFL.

[NotCranky]

I’d like to see everyone have to log in by computer or telephone anytime their gun is out of the house. Use plans and return time should be reported.Theywould log in to report when it was back at home. Anyone out with a gun, registered or not who hasn’t done this would be committing a crime.

[CA renter]

[quote=Blogstar]I’d like to see everyone have to log in by computer or telephone anytime their gun is out of the house. Use plans and return time should be reported.Theywould log in to report when it was back at home. Anyone out with a gun, registered or not who hasn’t done this would be committing a crime.[/quote]

How many times have mass murderers not been caught? Seems to me that knowing, after the fact, who was out of the house with a gun doesn’t really fix anything.

[moneymaker]

Or perhaps the government could make surprise visits to gun owners “to check their serial numbers” just to be sure they are actually in possession of the guns and were not straw buyers. Next step would be Nazi land.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar]I’d like to see everyone have to log in by computer or telephone anytime their gun is out of the house. Use plans and return time should be reported.Theywould log in to report when it was back at home. Anyone out with a gun, registered or not who hasn’t done this would be committing a crime.[/quote]

How many times have mass murderers not been caught? Seems to me that knowing, after the fact, who was out of the house with a gun doesn’t really fix anything.[/quote]

Anything that discourages sloppy handling of guns is good by me.

[NotCranky]

I live in an area where lots of people own guns and shoot them on their properties or the properties they are renting. About 7 out of 10 known gun owners cause me discomfort just knowing they own guns. If you all knew them and actually thought for a minute about who owns guns you would be talking a different tune.

So clear that self righteousness blinds. Like pit bull owners…none of them think their choice of dog and how they train it or keep it is anyone’s business. Yet, amazingly a few jurisdictions have managed to ban them totally…if that’s unconstitutional bring on more of it.

[scaredyclassic]

Ran into some guntards in a local open area. We were Rick climbing. Some were shooting relatively responsible toward other rock.

But then these guntards were just wandering around shooting in no particular fucking pattern. We had to crawl over contact their buddy and get them to fucking knock it off do we could get out

Fucking tards!!!! I truly hope they shot each other or selves….

They perceived themselves as responsible as they weren’t shooting at us, but only in our general direction. I really do hope they have a gun cleaning accident. I’m still pissed.

[NotCranky]

[quote=moneymaker]Or perhaps the government could make surprise visits to gun owners “to check their serial numbers” just to be sure they are actually in possession of the guns and were not straw buyers. Next step would be Nazi land.[/quote]
Actually the gun owners should have to go to the DGC. The new Department of gun control, and show the serial numbers and pay fees to support the department.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar]I’d like to see everyone have to log in by computer or telephone anytime their gun is out of the house. Use plans and return time should be reported.Theywould log in to report when it was back at home. Anyone out with a gun, registered or not who hasn’t done this would be committing a crime.[/quote]

How many times have mass murderers not been caught? Seems to me that knowing, after the fact, who was out of the house with a gun doesn’t really fix anything.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. And you’re (again) focusing on mass murders when they’re a very small part of the problem. Your average criminal is less likely to carry around a gun if it’s going to land him in jail for a long time.

[CA renter]

[quote=zk][quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar]I’d like to see everyone have to log in by computer or telephone anytime their gun is out of the house. Use plans and return time should be reported.Theywould log in to report when it was back at home. Anyone out with a gun, registered or not who hasn’t done this would be committing a crime.[/quote]

How many times have mass murderers not been caught? Seems to me that knowing, after the fact, who was out of the house with a gun doesn’t really fix anything.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. And you’re (again) focusing on mass murders when they’re a very small part of the problem. Your average criminal is less likely to carry around a gun if it’s going to land him in jail for a long time.[/quote]

Certain drugs will land people in jail for a long time. Doesn’t look like it’s stopped anyone from possessing or using drugs (thought it’s made for a hell of a black market and very rich drug lords)…or do you think there are people out there who want to use drugs, but refrain from doing so because “it’s illegal”?

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[quote=CA renter]

Certain drugs will land people in jail for a long time. Doesn’t look like it’s stopped anyone from possessing or using drugs (thought it’s made for a hell of a black market and very rich drug lords)…or do you think there are people out there who want to use drugs, but refrain from doing so because “it’s illegal”?[/quote]

If you think that drug laws haven’t stopped anyone from using drugs, that is a perfect illustration of your inability to understand that, just because a certain law doesn’t completely halt a problem doesn’t mean that it’s having no effect at all. This trait was also manifest in the discussion of Towns A and B, and also in your inability to see that very strict gun-control laws might work. You seem to think it’s all or nothing. If country A has strict gun-control laws and still has gun violence, those laws must not work. Not true. Perhaps that country’s violence would be far worse without those laws.

An argument could be made, of course, that the violence wouldn’t be worse, or that it would be better. I wouldn’t agree with it. But it could be made. As I’ve said, gun violence is a result of a combination of laws and culture.

So, back to your drug analogy. I think our drug laws are lame. But they do have some effect. I think there are a lot of people out there who want to use drugs but refrain from doing so because it’s illegal. I’m one of them. I can’t afford jail time, and it’s not worth the risk.

[scaredyclassic]

if cocaine was available over the counter, coke use would be way higher. marijuana use would be higher. heroin use would be higher. hmmm.. meth use would be higher. LSD use would probably be a bit higher. I cannot think of a drug which would decrease in use from legalization.

I think alcohol use might decrease very slightly if all other drugs were legalized

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[quote=squat300]Ran into some guntards in a local open area. We were Rick climbing. Some were shooting relatively responsible toward other rock.

But then these guntards were just wandering around shooting in no particular fucking pattern. We had to crawl over contact their buddy and get them to fucking knock it off do we could get out

Fucking tards!!!! I truly hope they shot each other or selves….

They perceived themselves as responsible as they weren’t shooting at us, but only in our general direction. I really do hope they have a gun cleaning accident. I’m still pissed.[/quote]

I ran into some cartards on the freeway. I was commuting. Some of the cartards were being relatively responsible and driving only a few miles over the limit.

But then these cartards just started swerving their 4000lb SUVs at 85mph between responsible drivers in no particular fucking pattern! I had to brake several times to avoid them.

Fucking cartards! I truly hope they run themselves off the road and die…

They percieved themselves as responsible as they weren’t driving directly at me, but only in my general direction. I really do hope they have a fatal driving accident. I’m still pissed.

[scaredyclassic]

driving has some social utility.

shooting a fucking gun in an open area has zero social utility.

therefore, the term guntard more aptly applies.

well, i suppose shooting int he open area does have some social utility if those were actually maneuvers designed to attack federal agents in the event that there is some sort of oppressive move to enslave the US population with drones.

I am being sarcastic.

those particularly guntards messed up my day.

somehow i think the NRA would say I was being a big baby.

when driving on the freeway, we also accept that there is risk, and that there will be a range of driving skills, and we can take some measures to protect ourselves from flaming assholes on the freeway, say by staying to the right, being observant, alert, allowing people to pass.

there is no social agreement that while out having an adventure on some rocks in open space that i am going to be subject to a gaggle of nitwits with weaponry shooting in unspecified directions in our general direction.

FUCKING GUNTARDS! that’s what id liek to ehar some pro-gun, NRA type say….that this is so unacceptable those tards should lose their privilege to ever touch a gun again.

from my perspective, admittedly biased, your equating the risk borne by driving with the risk of these guntards shooting irresponsible toward our vicinity is an example of…well…sorry, but guntardedness…

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