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November 3, 2013 at 7:28 PM #767549November 3, 2013 at 9:43 PM #767551
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Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=zk]Why do the kids from Watts generally end up taking government support while the kids from Carmel Valley pay for it? [/quote]
Because the money is there. Because the CV folks have no choice in the matter. If there is no government support then the kids from Watts wouldn’t end up taking the government support, now would they ?
Perhaps you meant to ask – ‘Why are the kids from Watts unable to support themselves?’
Which is a different question, alogether, but perhaps the same answer.[/quote]
And if they couldn’t get govt support, do you think they’ll just “get off their lazy asses and go to work”? This, IMHO, is where the difference lies between the left and the right. You have to look at history to see how it ends…almost every single time.
November 4, 2013 at 6:25 AM #767556jeff303
ParticipantFolks, we are missing something critical here. Who has had a discussion with their kids about the negative externalities of eating Halloween candy, and who is going to pay for those?
November 4, 2013 at 6:54 AM #767557scaredyclassic
ParticipantYeah! Obama dental care?
Candy is also a non sustainable energy resource. Kids are gonna crash and burn.
November 4, 2013 at 9:15 AM #767560NotCranky
Participant[quote=jeff303]Folks, we are missing something critical here. Who has had a discussion with their kids about the negative externalities of eating Halloween candy, and who is going to pay for those?[/quote]
Sure, I tell them if they screw up their teeth with candy, then Christmas will be cancelled. They said they will just get Obama teeth and Obama Christmas presents(Their mother is a liberal).
November 4, 2013 at 10:12 AM #767559sdduuuude
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=sdduuuude][quote=zk]Why do the kids from Watts generally end up taking government support while the kids from Carmel Valley pay for it? [/quote]
Because the money is there. Because the CV folks have no choice in the matter. If there is no government support then the kids from Watts wouldn’t end up taking the government support, now would they ?
Perhaps you meant to ask – ‘Why are the kids from Watts unable to support themselves?’
Which is a different question, alogether, but perhaps the same answer.[/quote]
And if they couldn’t get govt support, do you think they’ll just “get off their lazy asses and go to work”? This, IMHO, is where the difference lies between the left and the right. You have to look at history to see how it ends…almost every single time.[/quote]
Nice strawman argument. No, I don’t think they would. One of three things would happen:
1) They would perish, failing to reproduce.
2) They would find private charity, based on volunary donations.
3) They (later generations) would anticipate the fact that no life support will be available to them and choose to better prepare themselves.Perhaps you can tell I’m on neither the left nor the right.
November 4, 2013 at 11:33 AM #767565UCGal
ParticipantRelated to the original topic…
why do we tell our kids “don’t take candy from strangers” and “don’t talk to strangers”… but on Halloween we send them out SPECIFICALLY to talk to strangers and beg for candy for strangers.
As far as tax on the candy – my husband imposes the parent tax – he cherry picks his favorites out of the kids’ haul.
My favorite treat they got – one house offered kids a choice of a BOOK or candy. If they took the book, they gave them the candy too. Both boys got awesome Calvin and Hobbes books.
November 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM #767568Participant[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter][quote=sdduuuude][quote=zk]Why do the kids from Watts generally end up taking government support while the kids from Carmel Valley pay for it? [/quote]
Because the money is there. Because the CV folks have no choice in the matter. If there is no government support then the kids from Watts wouldn’t end up taking the government support, now would they ?
Perhaps you meant to ask – ‘Why are the kids from Watts unable to support themselves?’
Which is a different question, alogether, but perhaps the same answer.[/quote]
And if they couldn’t get govt support, do you think they’ll just “get off their lazy asses and go to work”? This, IMHO, is where the difference lies between the left and the right. You have to look at history to see how it ends…almost every single time.[/quote]
Nice strawman argument. No, I don’t think they would. One of three things would happen:
1) They would perish, failing to reproduce.
2) They would find private charity, based on volunary donations.
3) They (later generations) would anticipate the fact that no life support will be available to them and choose to better prepare themselves.Perhaps you can tell I’m on neither the left nor the right.[/quote]
Do you really believe that those are their only, or most likely, choices? Any evidence that one of these three choices would be chosen instead of the one that is actually chosen in real life throughout history? Funny, because when I study history, it’s more likely that more and more people will chose violence and revolution over just “lying down and dying” so that the rich can maintain their wealth and power. They will seek charity only if charity is available; and the rich, especially if they think like you do, will eventually put a stop to the charity. And your #3 option is exactly what I stated (which you called a straw man argument) — that they will simply buck up and start working, whether or not there are any jobs to be had, and whether or not those jobs would actually support a person or family.
When wealth/income disparities are the greatest and have reached the breaking point, as they are now, there has, almost without exception, been one type of response from the masses, and it’s not one of your choices. Why do you think they are militarizing the police forces across the country? Why do you think they are getting us used to road blocks and checkpoints? Why do you think they have been getting us accustomed to sharing all of our details on the internet? Why do you think they are engaging in all of the spying? The government and the police are there to protect the wealthy, not you and me and all of the other Joe Sixpacks out there. Note how quickly and decisively they came out against the Occupy movement and the original Tea Party movement (before it was co-opted and squashed by the Republican Party). Both were very similar when they started out.
With all due respect, I think you need to take a closer look at what’s really happened throughout history rather than basing your beliefs on a fiction writer’s nonsensical theories (Ayn Rand).
November 4, 2013 at 6:45 PM #767575joec
ParticipantI think for what will happen to the US, we can just look towards Europe. Spain has like 50% unemployment for youth and 25% for everyone else. I think anytime in history the disparity is very large, people will just “take” and move towards violence.
Like tons of youths burning street full of cars in France, etc…more and more will happen if the poor/destitute feel they have no way out.
Like Sun Tzu’s book, you don’t want an enemy that feels like they have nothing to lose. Society is far better if people have some positive view to works towards a better future.
The rich can say lets just gun them all down and lock them all up, but the problem is there are too many poor folks with guns and a ton more of “them”, you’d run out of bullets seriously before putting a dent in any of them.
Add in the corrupt cop who isn’t “rich” and good luck trying to maintain order.
November 4, 2013 at 8:12 PM #767577njtosd
Participant[quote=6packscaredy]Yeah! Obama dental care?
Candy is also a non sustainable energy resource. Kids are gonna crash and burn.[/quote]
I just learned that pediatric dental care must be included in all policies under the ACA, even for adults (I don’t get it, but that’s what the brochure said).
November 4, 2013 at 9:00 PM #767579Participant[quote=joec]I think for what will happen to the US, we can just look towards Europe. Spain has like 50% unemployment for youth and 25% for everyone else. I think anytime in history the disparity is very large, people will just “take” and move towards violence.
Like tons of youths burning street full of cars in France, etc…more and more will happen if the poor/destitute feel they have no way out.
Like Sun Tzu’s book, you don’t want an enemy that feels like they have nothing to lose. Society is far better if people have some positive view to works towards a better future.
The rich can say lets just gun them all down and lock them all up, but the problem is there are too many poor folks with guns and a ton more of “them”, you’d run out of bullets seriously before putting a dent in any of them.
Add in the corrupt cop who isn’t “rich” and good luck trying to maintain order.[/quote]
The bolded part is especially true when the poverty-stricken masses believe (usually correctly) that their plight is a direct result of the actions of the powerful and wealthy. They understand that the control of resources is basically zero-sum, and what the wealthy gain is because the workers and the poor have lost it — usually by force or a deliberate attempt by the wealthy to block any other options available to the working masses.
I don’t think anyone truly believes that the wealthy today are so much richer and more powerful than the average person because the wealthy person is so much more “exceptional.” People understand that the game has been rigged against those who work for a living…or want to work, but can’t find a job because all of the good jobs have been off-shored, or cheap labor has been brought in at the expense of workers and other taxpayers.
Everything you need to know is right here:
November 7, 2013 at 12:26 AM #767660Participant[quote=CA renter]I think you need to take a closer look at what’s really happened throughout history rather than basing your beliefs on a fiction writer’s nonsensical theories (Ayn Rand).[/quote]
Again, assuming alot about what I think. I have never read Ayn Rand.
November 7, 2013 at 12:27 AM #767662Participant[quote=CA renter]Funny, because when I study history, it’s more likely that more and more people will chose violence and revolution[/quote]
So, we should just pay them off so they don’t resort to violence? Sounds like buying off terrorists to me.
November 7, 2013 at 6:13 AM #767663Participantsociety only works if the people in it think it’s worh it.
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ”
terrorist manifesto?
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