ot halloween candy haul

[zk]

Let me start right off by saying that , when it came to race in my hypothetical, I didn’t explain myself very well. My bad. In my hypothetical, all the children from CV get switched with all the children from Watts. If suddenly all the children in Watts are Asian and white and have black and Hispanic parents, the hypothetical doesn’t work. Because now everybody is wondering how all these blacks had all these Asian kids. I was going for a hypothetical where the kids had the same genes, but their appearance had to fit their families. It’s got nothing to do with race, as I said.

[quote=flu]

Maybe you forgot about that portion, because maybe you haven’t been along long enough.
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Actually, I’ve been here longer than you, flu. Since before the system reset and we had to sign up again. Since the page background was white. Since there was paid content. I remember when you started posting. I don’t remember you being quite as whiny or as cynical then. Maybe you should take your own advice and lighten up.

[quote=flu]
Financial stupidity isn’t a conservative versus liberal thing. Unless you want to equate financial stupidity to being liberal.
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For the issue at hand, (if we’re talking about taxes and entitlements) financial stupidity is very much a conservative versus liberal thing. Unfortunately, both of them are financially stupid in this regard.

[quote=flu]

See, you know what your problem is? You don’t mind dishing it out to people who differ opinions or jab at things, but oh no, when someone says something that rubs you the wrong way, you need to put yourself on a high and mighty soap box and give people a lecture and you immediately attach the conservative label to anything that goes against the grain of your thinking. Pretty open minded there… Pretty entertaining…
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If you read my post again, you’ll see that I agree with neither the conservative nor the liberal platform on the issue that was being discussed. I attached the conservative label to the conservative viewpoint and the liberal label to the liberal viewpoint.

And to say that I attach the conservative label to anything that goes against my grain of thought is ludicrous. First of all, many of my own ideas (several of which I’ve expressed on this board) are ideas that agree with the conservative way of thinking. Also, I have many ideas (several of which I’ve expressed on this board) which disagree with the liberal way of thinking. I’m not a conservative or a liberal. I think for myself, and my opinions are spread across the political spectrum.

I will admit that I particularly despise the brainwashing techniques of the behemoth apparatus that is the right-wing noise machine. I’m pretty sure I would feel the same way about the left-wing noise machine if it wasn’t a rusty, beat-down tricycle with two flat tires. It kind of takes care of itself.

Soap box? Lecture? I’m offering an idea. I welcome other opinions. Especially if they don’t come with inaccurate accusations of race baiting. But again, that was probably my fault for not explaining my hypothetical very well.

[quote=flu]

Also, pretty open minded there that you keep bringing race into this. [/quote]

I brought race into it the first time to make my hypothetical work and the second time as a joke. You see, I said “just kidding. Sort of. Maybe.” Sound familiar? You can’t have it both ways, flu. When you say, “just kidding. Sort of. Maybe.” it’s a joke. When I say it, it’s not.

[quote=flu]

And what do you mean “It wouldn’t work with Asian kid in Watts with Hispanic parents” as you say?
Are you,again generalizing that every single asian is born into a well educated, high income/ upper middle class. And are you also suggesting that no asians are poor, no asians are lazy, and hence no asians would “fit”?
Like I said, generalize much? [/quote]

Again, my fault for not explaining that well. I hope it’s clearer now.

[flyer]

Good points, flu. Great to hear how you’re helping others.

Because we have the financial resources, and because we believe in the old adage, “Charity begins at home,” in addition to our own, we put 8 additional kids in our extended family through college, and helped them get into the careers they wanted, and I could go on and on from there. We’re extremely determined to help our family, regardless of what’s going on in this crazy world.

[Coronita]

[quote=flyer]Good points, flu. Great to hear how you’re helping others.

Because we have the financial resources, and because we believe in the old adage, “Charity begins at home,” in addition to our own, we put 8 additional kids in our extended family through college, and helped them get into the careers they wanted, and I could go on and on from there.[/quote]

You know the biggest irony of so called “champions of the poor”… I’m wondering how many of them actually lifted a finger.

Seriously folks, I don’t need a lecture on “luck”.. If I was complaining about “luck”, I wouldn’t be sitting on my ass all day not working, because I have the luck of having a something that 1:10000 have. It’s why I’m still on chemo for the past 3 years. I’m saying this not because I need/want pity from any of you. In fact if you do, it would be the most nauseating/sickest fucking thing you would do. I’m saying it because well,

guess what

1) Life isn’t fair.
2) Shit happens.
3) Deal with it.

QED…

[flyer]

[quote=flu][quote=flyer]Good points, flu. Great to hear how you’re helping others.

Because we have the financial resources, and because we believe in the old adage, “Charity begins at home,” in addition to our own, we put 8 additional kids in our extended family through college, and helped them get into the careers they wanted, and I could go on and on from there.[/quote]

You know the biggest irony of so called “champions of the poor”… I’m wondering how many of them actually lifted a finger.

Seriously folks, I don’t need a lecture on “luck”.. If I was complaining about “luck”, I wouldn’t be sitting on my ass all day not working, because I have the luck of having a something that 1:10000 have. It’s why I’m still on chemo for the past 3 years. I’m saying this not because I need/want pity from any of you. In fact if you do, it would be the most nauseating/sickest fucking thing you would do. I’m saying it because well,

guess what

1) Life isn’t fair.
2) Shit happens.
3) Deal with it.

QED…[/quote]

I know you’re not looking for sympathy, flu, but few people could walk in your shoes and still be standing. You’re definitely dealing very well.

[zk]

[quote=flu]

You know the biggest irony of so called “champions of the poor”… I’m wondering how many of them actually lifted a finger.

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To be clear, I’m not necessarily a champion of the poor in this country, who really aren’t that poor relative to the truly poor in some other countries. My help, in the form of money, goes outside this country.

My suggestion that we improve the environment for the “poor” in this country has more to do with the country as a whole than the poor themselves. If we could manage to turn welfare recipients and gang members into college graduates, the whole country would be better off.

[zk]

[quote=flyer]
I know you’re not looking for sympathy, flu, but few people could walk in your shoes and still be standing. You’re definitely dealing very well.[/quote]

Well, flu, if the chemo wasn’t making you sick…

[scaredyclassic]

Ok now getting back on topic:

Is the candy a gift? Not taxable or is it income?

Dies it matter if you are required to say trick or treat to get the candy?

Kids today; they think society OWES them free candy.

[SD Realtor]

Not just candy. Society owes them health care, education, and a 6 figure job.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu][quote=flyer]Good points, flu. Great to hear how you’re helping others.

Because we have the financial resources, and because we believe in the old adage, “Charity begins at home,” in addition to our own, we put 8 additional kids in our extended family through college, and helped them get into the careers they wanted, and I could go on and on from there.[/quote]

You know the biggest irony of so called “champions of the poor”… I’m wondering how many of them actually lifted a finger.

Seriously folks, I don’t need a lecture on “luck”.. If I was complaining about “luck”, I wouldn’t be sitting on my ass all day not working, because I have the luck of having a something that 1:10000 have. It’s why I’m still on chemo for the past 3 years. I’m saying this not because I need/want pity from any of you. In fact if you do, it would be the most nauseating/sickest fucking thing you would do. I’m saying it because well,

guess what

1) Life isn’t fair.
2) Shit happens.
3) Deal with it.

QED…[/quote]

I personally think it’s in bad taste to publicly talk about charitable acts, but since you seem to be specifically requesting this information as I’m one of the “champions of the poor,” I help out quite a few people in a variety of ways. I donate money to charities that help the poor, and also help out friends and family members who run into hard luck. Every month, for many years, we give money to a family friend who’s very elderly and has run out of funds. We also help friends with grocery, utility, and other bills when they’ve been unemployed. I also advise friends who own businesses with a variety of problems from financing to accounting to marketing ideas (experience from my past corporate life). I’ve also spent quite a bit of time tutoring students in and out of the public school system for free (experience from my teaching days).

I’ve publicly advocated for programs that help the poor and have participated in multiple protests and organizations that specifically set out to help the cause of working people and the poor. Before having kids, I was actively involved in public advocacy on a variety of issues, particularly taxpayer and consumer advocacy.

Not sure where you got the notion that “champions for the poor” don’t do anything to help others, but it’s way off the mark from everything I’ve ever seen.

[njtosd]

[quote=6packscaredy]Ok now getting back on topic:

Is the candy a gift? Not taxable or is it income?

Dies it matter if you are required to say trick or treat to get the candy?

Kids today; they think society OWES them free candy.[/quote]

QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 (1953).

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This fear for the future of our young people is as old as, well, Socrates. And my response to the flu/zk/etc argument is that we should reward those who contribute to society and help those who are not contributors to step up their game. Hard workers are good, regardless of where they come from. Hard workers with some creativity are even better, but there are few of those.

[CA renter]

[quote=SD Realtor]Not just candy. Society owes them health care, education, and a 6 figure job.[/quote]

And capitalists think their employees, customers, etc. owe them a profit…often, a very sizable one that is in no way correlated to the amount of “work” done or the risk taken on the part of the capitalist.

[Coronita]

[quote=zk][quote=flu]

You know the biggest irony of so called “champions of the poor”… I’m wondering how many of them actually lifted a finger.

[/quote]

To be clear, I’m not necessarily a champion of the poor in this country, who really aren’t that poor relative to the truly poor in some other countries. My help, in the form of money, goes outside this country.

My suggestion that we improve the environment for the “poor” in this country has more to do with the country as a whole than the poor themselves. If we could manage to turn welfare recipients and gang members into college graduates, the whole country would be better off.[/quote]

I’m not even talking about the poor…

Based on the “poor” people that I’ve had the opportunity to interact with, they fight hand and fist every day doing crap they don’t want to do and try to improve their situation. They don’t blame anyone or feel anyone owe them anything. Clearly, they aren’t “lazy”, nor do they feel “self entitled”. They put the effort into improve themselves, as anyone else who isn’t “lazy” too.

See, I think there’s this misconception going on in America that some extreme political indoctrination has led you to believe…. I don’t think the majority of the people lack sympathy and compassion for “poor” people. Quite the contrary.,I think most of america have compassion for the “poor” who actively try to get out of their shithole.

I think where people have lack of sympathy and compassion are towards the ones that seem to leech off of entitlements at the expense of both people paying for the benefits and real poor people that need the benefits. People who don’t give a shit, and have given up even without trying. I think the lack of disgust and lack of compassion is also the product of people who continue to try to make excuses, blame on others, and instill this sort of learned helplessness mentality, and excuses for why people aren’t/shouldn’t try or excuses for why giving up is ok.

Before you deny that is happening, I see this every day. One small example. STEM professions. It usually goes like this….People say all the time to younger people

1. “why bother getting a STEMS profession, because everything is outsourced anyway…Blame outsourcing..” (FACT, young people with some STEMs are doing pretty well)

2. “not everyone can do STEMs since not everyone will be good in it”… (FACT, you don’t have to be really good to do ok.. Heck my 6th grade math teach told me I was total fvckup and should never do STEMs)

3. “not everyone wants to do STEMs”. Ok fine. But if STEMS gets paid X and something else gets paid Y, don’t bitch if Y < X. (And that applies to anything other than STEMS. Real estate brokers probably do much better than most STEM people. I don't complain about it.) No one owes anyone a damn thing. Now if for someone that thinks that way, and have given up, and resort to feeling like a "victim", it doesn't matter... No matter what anyone does for them , they aren't going to succeed with that mentality. And if anyone has that mentality and is in a position of influence either to people of their peers or people younger than them, then congratulations on destroying any shred of hope and accomplishment that those people ever will have. Congratulations, you just taught them how to fail even before they started the race. If someone(s) have the mentality that someone else owe's them something, they have already lost. They're playing the victim card and have a "learned helplessness" mentality, and it's a crutch. And plenty of it goes around these days of the "victim mentality" It's not a lack of compassion or sympathy whatsoever. It's a simple disgust for a self destruction mentality that some people insist on instilling on others..The idea giving up even without trying which frankly, imho, is wrecking this country. Because this sort of mentality is contagious. You can't guarantee or be guaranteed success. But people's mentality sure can guarantee their failure. And lastly, if everyone actually spent the time to help someone else instead of expecting someone else to help them, maybe more people wouldn't be in such a shithole

[njtosd]

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]Not just candy. Society owes them health care, education, and a 6 figure job.[/quote]

And capitalists think their employees, customers, etc. owe them a profit…often, a very sizable one that is in no way correlated to the amount of “work” done or the risk taken on the part of the capitalist.[/quote]

CA Renter – I have to disagree. But I have to ask you a question – do you disagree with capitalism as an overall economic structure , or do you just not like parts of it?

In any event, no one holds a gun to anyone’s head and says you must work at this company or you must buy from this vendor (except, now that I think about it, the ACA). If you dont want to be cheated as an employee – start a business that doesn’t extract “sizable” profits (I’m including small businesses here). And in terms of being a gouged customer – there is always the DIY route. People did it for centuries. One could strive to be Amish (without the religion). I’m being a little flip here, but everything in life is a choice. And we should take care of those who are incapable of helping themselves, but not those who are unwilling.

[njtosd]

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]Not just candy. Society owes them health care, education, and a 6 figure job.[/quote]

And capitalists think their employees, customers, etc. owe them a profit…often, a very sizable one that is in no way correlated to the amount of “work” done or the risk taken on the part of the capitalist.[/quote]

CA Renter – I have to disagree. But I have to ask you a question – do you disagree with capitalism as an overall economic structure , or do you just not like parts of it?

In any event, no one holds a gun to anyone’s head and says you must work at this company or you must buy from this vendor (except, now that I think about it, the ACA). If you dont want to be cheated as an employee – start a business that doesn’t extract “sizable” profits (I’m including small businesses here). And in terms of being a gouged customer – there is always the DIY route. People did it for centuries. One could strive to be Amish (without the religion). I’m being a little flip here, but everything in life is a choice. And we should take care of those who are incapable of helping themselves, but not those who are unwilling.

[njtosd]

[quote=CA renter][quote=SD Realtor]Not just candy. Society owes them health care, education, and a 6 figure job.[/quote]

And capitalists think their employees, customers, etc. owe them a profit…often, a very sizable one that is in no way correlated to the amount of “work” done or the risk taken on the part of the capitalist.[/quote]

CA Renter – I have to disagree. But I have to ask you a question – do you disagree with capitalism as an overall economic structure , or do you just not like parts of it?

In any event, no one holds a gun to anyone’s head and says you must work at this company or you must buy from this vendor (except, now that I think about it, the ACA). If you dont want to be cheated as an employee – start a business that doesn’t extract “sizable” profits (I’m including small businesses here). And in terms of being a gouged customer – there is always the DIY route. People did it for centuries. One could strive to be Amish (without the religion). I’m being a little flip here, but everything in life is a choice. And we should take care of those who are incapable of helping themselves, but not those who are unwilling.

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