OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[Shadowfax]

And no, flu, I don’t think the fat kid should just go lose weight. You’re missing the point. No one should be picking on anyone for any reason.

The fat kid obviously has issues somewhere just like the (potentially, depending on age) gay kid does (regardless of orientation, the gay kid is going to have emotional issues about how he is dealt with by society just like the fat kid will). But it would be in the fat kid’s interest to get healthy. The ugly kid…sorry, wear a mask? (kidding!)

But really, it’s not who or what these kids are but how other kids are conditioned to deal with them that is the issue. If a kid is disfigured by fire or birth defect, kids will be naturally inquisitive and might stare or ask questions. It’s up to adults to teach them that being curious is ok but poking fun or saying mean things is not.

With that said, I think I am going to go for a run and have a salad for lunch!

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[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]

There is also a lack of physical activity. It’s especially prevalent for girls (though getting better) who don’t want to “sweat” because it isn’t perceived as pretty. I wonder if the school you drive by even has an athletic program. I hate the transition years where girls are kids and like to play and get dirty to somewhere around middle school where they start to care what their peers think and that stops them from being active. It’s a horrible development to see little kids who always want to race somewhere turn into the slow, pokey, “I’m too cool to run” types. Very sad.

I have my kids involved in sports early and often. Even if we just chase each other around the house and wrestle on a rainy day, it’s fun and it’s active. I always tell them when I went for a run or lifted weights to get stronger because I want them to think about that as part of their long term life goals.[/quote]

(The school district I’m in does have a pretty good extra curricular physical program, in thanks partly due to generation donations …as well as other ESC programs, thank you very much)….

Do you realize what you are saying here?
It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? And for your kid the next day to come home and say
“Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics probably shouldn’t ever be taught in school….

I’m just pointing out that sexuality is another such grey area topic that you find such a huge widespread disagreement on the topic…

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]

There is also a lack of physical activity. It’s especially prevalent for girls (though getting better) who don’t want to “sweat” because it isn’t perceived as pretty. I wonder if the school you drive by even has an athletic program. I hate the transition years where girls are kids and like to play and get dirty to somewhere around middle school where they start to care what their peers think and that stops them from being active. It’s a horrible development to see little kids who always want to race somewhere turn into the slow, pokey, “I’m too cool to run” types. Very sad.

I have my kids involved in sports early and often. Even if we just chase each other around the house and wrestle on a rainy day, it’s fun and it’s active. I always tell them when I went for a run or lifted weights to get stronger because I want them to think about that as part of their long term life goals.[/quote]

(The school district I’m in does have a pretty good extra curricular physical program, in thanks partly due to generation donations …as well as other ESC programs, thank you very much)….

Do you realize what you are saying here?
It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? And for your kid the next day to come home and say
“Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics probably shouldn’t ever be taught in school….

I’m just pointing out that sexuality is another such grey area topic that you find such a huge widespread disagreement on the topic…

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]

There is also a lack of physical activity. It’s especially prevalent for girls (though getting better) who don’t want to “sweat” because it isn’t perceived as pretty. I wonder if the school you drive by even has an athletic program. I hate the transition years where girls are kids and like to play and get dirty to somewhere around middle school where they start to care what their peers think and that stops them from being active. It’s a horrible development to see little kids who always want to race somewhere turn into the slow, pokey, “I’m too cool to run” types. Very sad.

I have my kids involved in sports early and often. Even if we just chase each other around the house and wrestle on a rainy day, it’s fun and it’s active. I always tell them when I went for a run or lifted weights to get stronger because I want them to think about that as part of their long term life goals.[/quote]

(The school district I’m in does have a pretty good extra curricular physical program, in thanks partly due to generation donations …as well as other ESC programs, thank you very much)….

Do you realize what you are saying here?
It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? And for your kid the next day to come home and say
“Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics probably shouldn’t ever be taught in school….

I’m just pointing out that sexuality is another such grey area topic that you find such a huge widespread disagreement on the topic…

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]

There is also a lack of physical activity. It’s especially prevalent for girls (though getting better) who don’t want to “sweat” because it isn’t perceived as pretty. I wonder if the school you drive by even has an athletic program. I hate the transition years where girls are kids and like to play and get dirty to somewhere around middle school where they start to care what their peers think and that stops them from being active. It’s a horrible development to see little kids who always want to race somewhere turn into the slow, pokey, “I’m too cool to run” types. Very sad.

I have my kids involved in sports early and often. Even if we just chase each other around the house and wrestle on a rainy day, it’s fun and it’s active. I always tell them when I went for a run or lifted weights to get stronger because I want them to think about that as part of their long term life goals.[/quote]

(The school district I’m in does have a pretty good extra curricular physical program, in thanks partly due to generation donations …as well as other ESC programs, thank you very much)….

Do you realize what you are saying here?
It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? And for your kid the next day to come home and say
“Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics probably shouldn’t ever be taught in school….

I’m just pointing out that sexuality is another such grey area topic that you find such a huge widespread disagreement on the topic…

[Coronita]

[quote=Shadowfax]

There is also a lack of physical activity. It’s especially prevalent for girls (though getting better) who don’t want to “sweat” because it isn’t perceived as pretty. I wonder if the school you drive by even has an athletic program. I hate the transition years where girls are kids and like to play and get dirty to somewhere around middle school where they start to care what their peers think and that stops them from being active. It’s a horrible development to see little kids who always want to race somewhere turn into the slow, pokey, “I’m too cool to run” types. Very sad.

I have my kids involved in sports early and often. Even if we just chase each other around the house and wrestle on a rainy day, it’s fun and it’s active. I always tell them when I went for a run or lifted weights to get stronger because I want them to think about that as part of their long term life goals.[/quote]

(The school district I’m in does have a pretty good extra curricular physical program, in thanks partly due to generation donations …as well as other ESC programs, thank you very much)….

Do you realize what you are saying here?
It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? And for your kid the next day to come home and say
“Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics probably shouldn’t ever be taught in school….

I’m just pointing out that sexuality is another such grey area topic that you find such a huge widespread disagreement on the topic…

[Shadowfax]

[quote=flu]Do you realize what you are saying here? It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics shouldn’t ever be taught in school….And for your kid the next day to come home and say “Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Sexuality is another such grey area topic (and anything that touches it)…[/quote]

Actually, no, I don’t think schools should be paying for athletic programs. It’s nice when they do, but I wouldn’t require it. My statements were general to the state of our youth at large–that they are poorly nourished and too sedentary. We are lucky that our school does provide PE several times a week, but the kids can get activity in a recess period.

I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=flu]Do you realize what you are saying here? It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics shouldn’t ever be taught in school….And for your kid the next day to come home and say “Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Sexuality is another such grey area topic (and anything that touches it)…[/quote]

Actually, no, I don’t think schools should be paying for athletic programs. It’s nice when they do, but I wouldn’t require it. My statements were general to the state of our youth at large–that they are poorly nourished and too sedentary. We are lucky that our school does provide PE several times a week, but the kids can get activity in a recess period.

I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=flu]Do you realize what you are saying here? It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics shouldn’t ever be taught in school….And for your kid the next day to come home and say “Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Sexuality is another such grey area topic (and anything that touches it)…[/quote]

Actually, no, I don’t think schools should be paying for athletic programs. It’s nice when they do, but I wouldn’t require it. My statements were general to the state of our youth at large–that they are poorly nourished and too sedentary. We are lucky that our school does provide PE several times a week, but the kids can get activity in a recess period.

I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.

[Shadowfax]

[quote=flu]Do you realize what you are saying here? It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics shouldn’t ever be taught in school….And for your kid the next day to come home and say “Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Sexuality is another such grey area topic (and anything that touches it)…[/quote]

Actually, no, I don’t think schools should be paying for athletic programs. It’s nice when they do, but I wouldn’t require it. My statements were general to the state of our youth at large–that they are poorly nourished and too sedentary. We are lucky that our school does provide PE several times a week, but the kids can get activity in a recess period.

I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.

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