OT: Firefox mobile phone platform….

[spdrun]

If my apartment has a fire when I’m not there, my laptop is likely to be with me. If there’s a fire and I’m there, I’m grabbing it as I run out the door. If someone steals it, it’s encrypted and it’s synced to another computer at home.

Not all that worried about fire. It’s a brick and stone building, built 4 years pre-war. WW 1 that is 🙂

Lastly, billing, time-tracking, payable, receivable, sales tax due, etc info isn’t on the servers of my bank, at least not in the form in which I use it. Client lists? Nope. Media/vendor lists? Nope.

[an]

[quote=spdrun]I don’t either. But you mentioned several hundred TB of data per person — I did not.[/quote]
I have 600gb plus today. Crossing over 1tb soon. There’s nothing on the market today for laptop and tablet that can handle that kind of data.

[an]

[quote=spdrun]If my apartment has a fire when I’m not there, my laptop is likely to be with me. If there’s a fire and I’m there, I’m grabbing it as I run out the door. If someone steals it, it’s encrypted and it’s synced to another computer at home.

Not all that worried about fire. It’s a brick and stone building, built 4 years pre-war. WW 1 that is 🙂

Lastly, billing, time-tracking, payable, receivable, sales tax due, etc info isn’t on the servers of my bank, at least not in the form in which I use it. Client lists? Nope. Media/vendor lists? Nope.[/quote]
Why are you storing those data on anything other than a raid server with nightly backup and temperature controlled server room?

[ucodegen]

[quote=AN][quote=spdrun]Lastly, if being 5 years behind means actually having control of what software you can install, and having control of your data (not having it synced to the cloud) then I’m all for the past 🙂 We’re moving from personal computing to corporate computing, and that’s disturbing.[/quote]
I think you’re a dying breed. Linux will be your only option (assuming Linux won’t try to follow the market down the Cloud services road). I personally fully embraces the Cloud services and it seems like all the major ecosystems are heading that way too.[/quote]Well… he is not the ‘only’ one of that ‘dying’ breed. Though lot of ‘ecosystems’ are heading that way, it cedes control of your data to some ‘cloud’ provider… who then controls your data, and may end up deciding how to use that ‘Facebook style’ at some later date when they need to realize some income. Besides, why use the ‘Cloud’ in the first place.. 1TB now fits in my shirt pocket! and I can pull data from that device faster than I can from the ‘Cloud’.
[quote=AN]I guess the millions of users who uses Mint and Quicken are idiots. I assume you go to the physical bank and deal with physical cash then. No online banking for you? I’m not as tin foil hat as you are.[/quote]Logic fallacy.. Straw Man Argument. If you want secure banking, electronic tends to be the more secure. .. want to guess my crypto key? There is over $100k behind it.. wait 1 day and the key is different. BTW: it is AES based. For secure banking, always use ‘push’ and avoid ‘pull’. I schedule my bank to send out the payments. I don’t have my payments done by the payee, ie Sprint, on a ‘pull’ basis. Now, if I don’t want a trace.. I do use cash. 😉
[quote=spdrun]

You sound worse than my parents. Maybe more like my grand parents.

Maybe your grandparents weren’t so dumb after all, then :)[/quote]Touche’
[quote=AN]Good luck trying to back up those data. Oops, I just drop my iPad. There goes my photos, videos, etc. Also, good luck trying to keep all of those devices safe. Oops, I just lost my iPad. There goes all the personal data I have on that iPad. [/quote]I wonder what the price of 1TB of storage is on the ‘Cloud’… https://developers.google.com/storage/docs/pricingandterms Looks like $120/month. Almost the cost of a 1TB portable hard drive for just 1 month of ‘Cloud’ storage. I have 4.25TB of storage @ home with backup of critical located somewhere else. That would be costing me around $400/month on a ‘Cloud’.
[quote=AN]That would be impossible. I have over 600GB of photos and videos today and most of those were taken with 2MP cameras, etc. Those data will only get exponentially larger with the 20+MP cameras and 4k camcorders. It’s impossible to have a tablet that have several hundreds of terabytes that would be needed to store all the photos and videos I would have over the next 10 years. [/quote]You have not been paying attention to the progression of storage capacity on hard drives and SD. My 1TB pocket drive is obsolete already. Current Tech is 1.5TB. Looks like it is following Moore’s Law. Six months from now 2TB or more. Before you bring up security — the drive has hardware AES encryption, and it is enabled.
BTW: How about this for those ‘Cloud’ oriented..
http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/amazons-cloud-crash-destroyed-many-customers-data-123632
It isn’t as secure as you think…

[ucodegen]

[quote=AN][quote=spdrun]I don’t either. But you mentioned several hundred TB of data per person — I did not.[/quote]
I have 600gb plus today. Crossing over 1tb soon. There’s nothing on the market today for laptop and tablet that can handle that kind of data.[/quote]
Look up Western Digital Scorpio Blue.. it is 1TB for notebooks. The tablet is going to be more of a problem. Its power and size footprint necessitates SSD.

Linky: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1682/1/

Even more 1TBs.. http://www.nextag.com/1tb-internal-2__5-sata-laptop-hard-drive/stores-html

[an]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=AN][quote=spdrun]I don’t either. But you mentioned several hundred TB of data per person — I did not.[/quote]
I have 600gb plus today. Crossing over 1tb soon. There’s nothing on the market today for laptop and tablet that can handle that kind of data.[/quote]
Look up Western Digital Scorpio Blue.. it is 1TB for notebooks. The tablet is going to be more of a problem. Its power and size footprint necessitates SSD.

Linky: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1682/1/

Even more 1TBs.. http://www.nextag.com/1tb-internal-2__5-sata-laptop-hard-drive/stores-html%5B/quote%5D
Laptop only have 1 SATA slot and I don’t want to have the main drive be anything less than a SSD. I have external drives before and the fail much more quicker. So, using it as an external drive is not a good idea either.

Keep in mind, I’m not the one who have a tin foil hat on. I operate under the assumption that my data have already been compromised instead of trying to prevent it from being compromise. I just want to make sure I can restore all of my data if something happen. I don’t want to spend thousands trying to build my own raid machine and a temperature controlled room to store those data when I can have unlimited back up for <$100 for 2 years. I have my own local back ups as well. BTW, I never said spdrun are the only one. You can join him too :-D. My point is, that's just the way the industry is heading. You can either embrace it and operate under the assumption that your data have already been compromised and take steps to make sure you're protected under that circumstance. Or, you can try and fight the trend. I pick the former, but you're welcome to pick the later if you like. I won't call you dumb, like spdrun does to those who doesn't do what he would do.

[spdrun]

Actually, the other machine is RAID 1 and does get automatically backed up. Total cost was a few hundred $.

Temperature control is mostly irrelevant, as long as the temperature and humidity stay within the operating parameters of the drives. Two drives failing at once + losing a backup is also extremely unlikely.

I suppose everything could be taken out by a surge passing through the UPS box, or an EMP. Even then while the drive electronics would be zorched, the data on the platters would be recoverable. But that’s pretty much an impossibility anyway.

[Coronita]

I don’t use mint or quicken.com (despite I use to work at intuit…)Reason being… Balancing my checkbook and looking over expenses and trying to penny pinch is as exciting as going to the dentist. Maybe, just maybe it would make sense to me IF the government would let me keep more of what I make. But since they are going to tax me more anyway, I’ll gloss over the small nickel and dimes, and just try to legally find ways to pay less taxes where it makes the more difference.

[spdrun]

Dead-on right.

I only keep track of business expenses and tax-deductible items. Aside from that, I really couldn’t care less that I spent $15.35 per day on average on food in the month of May 2011. I’m not that obsessive.

[an]

Fortunately, I don’t have any business expenses to keep track of. If I do, I wouldn’t be storing it on some random cloud service either. I would leave it all at the banks’ server. The few sensitive data I have, can be fit on a SD Card, so I just need to buy a few of those and I’m set. The data I have to most that I cherish the most are pictures and videos of my family. Those data are increasing in size at a staggering rate and it would be too expensive for me to store and back up myself. Which is why I have online backup as well as uploading them to Flickr.

[spdrun]

You can’t afford 1TB of drive space? Really?

As far as business expenses, you’re ass-u-me-ing that credit card statements translate nicely and immediately into deductions. Generally, there’s a bunch of math that needs to be done.

i.e., one order for two different clients, taxable in different counties. Or an order that I was charged tax on vs one where no tax was charged since it came from out of state — therefore I’ll owe tax.

I use Flickr and Facebook as well. For things that I actually wish to have public, not anything else.

[an]

[quote=spdrun]You can’t afford 1TB of drive space? Really?

As far as business expenses, you’re ass-u-me-ing that credit card statements translate nicely and immediately into deductions. Generally, there’s a bunch of math that needs to be done. i.e., one order for two different clients, taxable in different counties.

I use Flickr and Facebook as well. For things that I actually wish to have public, not anything else.[/quote]
I have a 1.5TB drive and a 1TB back up. But I still like to have an external backup of my photos and videos.

Again, I have no need to keep track of deductions. So, your needs doesn’t apply to me. If I do, I’ll probably do something like you and have my own server that store all those data. I’d go further and have it spread between several different locations. Those all would be a business expense, so, I wouldn’t worry too much about maintaining it in my house. I would find some secure services for both data and location.

The need to keep track of deductions can be done by 10 years old computer running any of the OSes that were made 10 years ago. There’s no need to get the latest and greatest to do some excel. The newer computers, OSes, ecosystem are the solution for a different problem. Your problem have been solved many years ago and there’s no need to look for new solutions when the solution 10 years ago are still working perfectly fine.

I would do what flu does and keep around an old computer that’s completely offline to do these business related stuff. That way, it can’t be hacked.

[ucodegen]

[quote=AN]I don’t want to spend thousands trying to build my own raid machine and a temperature controlled room to store those data when I can have unlimited back up for <$100 for 2 years.[/quote]Temperature controlled rooms were needed a long time ago, before the sealed hard drives were invented. Now they are not needed except for large compute clusters, particularly of the super-computer type. Backup storage is also not unlimited as I showed the cost. Only no-cost under a certain size. [quote=AN]My point is, that's just the way the industry is heading. You can either embrace it and operate under the assumption that your data have already been compromised and take steps to make sure you're protected under that circumstance. Or, you can try and fight the trend. I pick the former, but you're welcome to pick the later if you like. I won't call you dumb, like spdrun does to those who doesn't do what he would do.[/quote]Through my years of experience in this business.. I have seen all statements of how things are 'going to turn out', only to have them refuted as things don't really turn out this way. If you noticed on another page, I have been programming computers/working on them/admin since 1975. Most people who write publications on how things are going to turn out, have a small fraction of that experience. As for calling anyone 'dumb'.. I don't care. I think that name calling reflects more upon the caller than the callee.. Particularly if it is done to someone who has a bit of experience in the subject. [quote=spdrun]I use Flickr and Facebook as well. For things that I actually wish to have public, not anything else.[/quote]Ditto, particularly the latter. Flickr's 'security' is almost non-existent. I used to be able to get to pages if I knew one of the ref-paths to it, even when the top level was made 'private'. [quote=AN]I would do what flu does and keep around an old computer that's completely offline to do these business related stuff. That way, it can't be hacked.[/quote]That is what the Iranians thought...

[an]

ucodegen, I thought big server farms are still temp controlled? Unlimited online backup: http://www.backblaze.com/. There’s no way I can run my own service for that kind of price. Not to mention keeping it on 24/7 and the energy usage.

WRT to where the industry is heading. That’s just MHO. I can totally be wrong and we’ll go back to where we were 10 years ago and every device is isolated or storage will be dirt cheap where it’ll be in everything and every device you have will have all the data you have. Which would put us to purely peer-2-peer vs client server. We’ll just have to wait and see. I just feel a little safer knowing that even if my local back up fail or my house burns down, my pictures and videos (truly priceless stuff) are still safe. Financial stuff can be rectified if something bad happen, but if I lose all of my family photos/videos, it’ll be lost forever.

Was the Iranians’ computer not plug into the internet AND no one put a USB stick in it? I.E. it’s being used purely to produce data and not to consume data?

[spdrun]

As far as pricing — you’d be very surprised. You can get an Atom-based barebones computer, load it up with two 1TB drives in RAID 1 for a few hundred dollars.

Be able to back up unlimited computers to the device, stream music off of it, etc.

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