OT – Eric Garner’s strangler not indicted

[spdrun]

Shame on the NYC grand jury for not indicting Officer Pantaleo. Selling loose cigarettes is essentially a tax evasion offense. It’s inexcusable that suspicion of avoiding $5 or $10 of tax becomes an excuse for a hard-on cop to use lethal force.

[Hobie]

Makes ya want to unplug the Rockefeller Xmas tree, huh? See you at the protest.

Cmon sp, I expect better from you. Enough trolling. Same for others here lately.

[spdrun]

I’m not trolling. Cop should have been indicted.

Hope he’s quietly fired, ostracized by everyone whom he knows as a killer, and dies lonely and broke.

[Hobie]

How is this not a local issue that should be discussed on NY forum, perhaps.

Are you not trying to tag this onto the Fergesen upheaval.

[spdrun]

I listed this as OT. I’m also from NY. I’m actually about two miles from the aforementioned evergreen right now.

Feel free to ignore the thread or ignore-list me if you feel that I’m trolling.

[svelte]

[quote=Hobie]How is this not a local issue that should be discussed on NY forum, perhaps.

Are you not trying to tag this onto the Fergesen upheaval.[/quote]

I saw the video of this on the monitors at the gym here in San Diego last night, so at least the national news (Fox and CNN) think it is more than a national issue.

I had been hearing he had his hands up, but when I watched the video (no sound as I was at the gym) he was waving his hands and the only reason they were up for short periods of time was because he was trying to keep them from the officer’s reach. That’s not raising your hands to surrender!!!

It is terrible that he died yes, but he was certainly not cooperating.

I don’t care if you’re white, black, yellow or orange if you don’t cooperate with police then they should be able to use force to make you cooperate.

To me, the Rodney King cops were clearly using too much force and should have been charged. In NYC, it didn’t appear to me they were. I’m sure if they had to do it over again they would, but the NYC incident was an unfortunate accident and no indictments necessary. That’s my opinion. I would say the same thing if it was a huge white guy that died.

[svelte]

should say “more than a local issue”

[spdrun]

svelte: but consider why he was being arrested/harassed by the cops in the first place. Reason was supposedly him selling loose cigarettes (thus evading about $7 of tax). No evidence of him possessing black-market cigarettes was ever found.

It seemed awfully like “walking while black” to me, and maybe the cops should have left him alone. I hope that Pantaleo doesn’t get a single moment of peace, and they he’s hounded into at least resigning, if not leaving the city for life or jumping under a speeding subway train.

Use of force should never have been initiated.

[Raybyrnes]

There were serial complaints coming from the store owners long before the police took action.

Media seems to edit the timeline of events.

This guy shuts his mouth, puts his hands behind his back it is likely the police drop him off at this house and ask him not to return to the same place and conduct the same activity.

The event of his death was an unfortunate result of a situation he created and of an abnormal health situation. The majority of the board here are pretty good statisticians. I have wrestled with my brother enough to say that I she had him in equal or worse position and he never died. This outcome was an anomaly.

[spdrun]

Unless the cops observed him selling loose cigarettes, they had no cause to arrest him. Quit blaming the victim.

Physical force should have never been initiated by those assholes.

Ever see “Rear Window?” I can complain till I’m blue in the face that my neighbor is an axe murderer, but unless the police have some sort of proof, they can’t arrest him.

[Hobie]

Sensationalism video. No video, no story. Just another day in the life of any city.

If you look closely the initial choke had victims airway in the crook of the cops elbow. Correct method. Hard to see as both the cop had big arms and the victim is large neck. Incorrect or illegal choke would have the arm across the airway resulting in victim passing out.

Once victim was brought to ground, was able to tell cops several time he was not breathing. Hard to do if you indeed are being choked. Video shows only cops hand holding victims head on the ground.

As mentioned, some other medical event happened. Bit of cooperation with the cops can save you life. Then you can sue them later…

Again, without video, no national story.

[spdrun]

Except that chokeholds are banned by NYPD policy. Rightly so. It’s not only a question of the airway, but of damage to blood vessels, risk of vagal reflex (pressure on the vagus nerve alters heart rhythm), possible spinal damage.

You’re not talking about UFC or wrestling here, where the “victims” of the chokehold are examined by a doctor before they’re allowed to participate.

If multiple cops couldn’t cuff an out-of-shape man with a weak heart standing up, then perhaps their training should be examined.

And stop blaming the victim. A bit of cooperation with a rapist or mugger can also save your life. You can file a report later. I see this cop as no better than a rapist or other street thug.

Unless the behavior was observed by the cop personally, there was no need for an arrest or even a ticket. Just tell the guy “you’ve been bothering some people, move on.”

[Hobie]

[quote=spdrun]
I see this cop as no better than a rapist or other street thug.[/quote]

And with this, we circle around back to original premise of pre-exisiting bias or reactionary uninformed response–trolling. sorry. good day. out.

[spdrun]

Not trolling. Trolling is lying to elicit a reaction. I’m speaking my real opinion, as unpalatable as it may be to you. I didn’t say ALL COPS. I said this cop.

Actually, he’s worse than a thug. Thugs didn’t swear an oath to uphold the law. He did, he broke it, AND SOMEONE DIED AS THE RESULT OF HIS ACTIONS.

The only reason that he walked is that the grand jury was on Staten Island. If you knew Staten Island, you’d understand — place is stuck in the 1950s and not in a charming way.

It’s telling that their Congressman is a Tea Partier that’s under Federal investigation for corruption. He also threatened to throw a reporter off a balcony. Can’t make this stuff up — it’s all the bad stereotypes of Jersey Shore and Jerry Springer concentrated into an island in disputed territory, or perhaps NYC’s answer to Bakersfield 🙂

Fun times: http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/witnesses_say_skinhead_tries_t.html
More fun: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/22/racist-nypd-cop-michael-daragjati-sentenced-false-arrest-extortion-stop-and-frisk_n_1619812.html
Nice guy: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/01/rep-grimm-threatens-to-throw-reporter-off-balcony-on-camera/

[FlyerInHi]

Seems pretty clear cut to me. The cop used an illegal chokehold.

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