OT – Eric Garner’s strangler not indicted

[scaredyclassic]

that’s not a bad idea. cops could stake out super wealthy areas and enforce very minor infractions. there’d be less resistance, much mroe payment…

[spdrun]

… or many more lawsuits. 🙂 If some Harvard prof is willing to sue over a $4 Chinese menu item, imagine what would happen over a $100 jaywalking ticket.

But of course, the poor commit more crimes…
“In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.” – Anatole France

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

if the police do something unreasonable to one of us, we will suddenly hold them to much higher stds. Of performance.

For instance let’s say you call to report a burglary. Cops come to your house and cuff you to your kitchen table take the statement. Guns drawn upon entry of course. May have to kick in yr. Door to make sure you don’t get the jump on them. After all you do have a lot of guns in your house. You could be nuts. Can’t be too safe, could be a setup. Who knows who’s calling. No probkem.

Perhaps that would be “reasonable” in shifty neighborhoods but no CV?

also cops are kind of into the perceived danger and adrenaline. That’s why they pick that job.[/quote]

[quote=scaredyclassic]that’s not a bad idea. cops could stake out super wealthy areas and enforce very minor infractions. there’d be less resistance, much mroe payment…[/quote]

That’s pretty smart thinking all around!

[scaredyclassic]

also, when they choke out a middle aged white lawyer when he refuses a citation for for a leaky sprinkler, it’ll take some of the gusto out of the race argument.

or some mouth white soccer mom having a bad day venting at a traffic cop and refusing some command or other. choke her out!

[scaredyclassic]

it kinda seems less reasonable to choke out some fat old disputatious noncompliant white old lawyer in a lawn argument than a big black guy ina crappy neighborhood selling cigareettes?

but why?

choke choke choke!

[Anonymous]

[quote=CA renter]Sorry, but the life of a criminal does not trump the life of a cop.[/quote]

There’s that reading comprehension problem again.

Try once more to read the title of the thread.

[scaredyclassic]

there ar emany many crimes. perhaps the police should read the local ordinances in our villages more carefully. maybe there’s some white people to choke for many infractions of the law. submit, you codebreaking white person…

there sa really intriguing blog ill track down about black kids documenting their stops with cops not resulting ina rrests. just various hassles, where cops are checking for warrants and such…pretty grim…wonder how we’d feel in temecula if cops just stoppped our local white kids, sat em ont he curb with their skateboards for a while, ran em for warrants routinesly. searched e for weed. get em int eh juvenile system where we can keep an eye on them….

[CA renter]

[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]Sorry, but the life of a criminal does not trump the life of a cop.[/quote]

There’s that reading comprehension problem again.

Try once more to read the title of the thread.[/quote]

You keep proving my point. Carry on.

[CA renter]

[quote=spdrun]Depends which criminal and which cop. I don’t consider selling loose cigarettes a real crime, more of a minor infraction on the level of speeding or jaywalking.

Any cop who arrests someone for this sort of thing is a blithering idiot who every taxpayer should hate. We’re talking about maybe a $10 loss of revenue for the state vs $150 per night to keep him in jail until he sees a judge in a few days.

As far as cops vs criminals: really depends which cop and which criminal. A cop might be worth more to society than Charles Manson. But likely worth less than (say) a jaywalking doctor, even if the doctor is resisting arrest.

Enforcement SHOULD be discretionary and as minimal as possible unless someone is actually being harmed. It’s not only a question of over-militarization. It’s an issue of zero tolerance equaling zero brain.[/quote]

Agreed. And, as I’ve said before, how they treated Eric Garner is unjustifiable, IMO. Not defending the cops in that case. If the choke-hold is against policy, then that cop needs to suffer the consequences, and a manslaughter charge would seem rather reasonable, at least to me.

[CA renter]

[quote=scaredyclassic]also, when they choke out a middle aged white lawyer when he refuses a citation for for a leaky sprinkler, it’ll take some of the gusto out of the race argument.

or some mouth white soccer mom having a bad day venting at a traffic cop and refusing some command or other. choke her out![/quote]

I think there have been some cases where mouthy white women were roughly treated by some cops. And then there were these cases, which I find every bit as disturbing as the Garner case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiH4vFdpY_I

http://www.infowars.com/georgia-police-strip-search-drivers-during-minor-traffic-stops/

White mom in minivan gets tasered in front of her kids:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/mom_in_minivan_tasered_in_traf.html

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=CA renter][quote=scaredyclassic]also, when they choke out a middle aged white lawyer when he refuses a citation for for a leaky sprinkler, it’ll take some of the gusto out of the race argument.

or some mouth white soccer mom having a bad day venting at a traffic cop and refusing some command or other. choke her out![/quote]

I think there have been some cases where mouthy white women were roughly treated by some cops. And then there were these cases, which I find every bit as disturbing as the Garner case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiH4vFdpY_I

http://www.infowars.com/georgia-police-strip-search-drivers-during-minor-traffic-stops/

White mom in minivan gets tasered in front of her kids:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/mom_in_minivan_tasered_in_traf.html%5B/quote%5D

tasered through winter clothing? Please. She needed to get shot if she were a big black dude in a winter coat which a teaser can’t poenetrate. At least a beatdown. Refusing direct police orders? Very dangerous….the taser did nothing under the circs.e

[ltsddd]

[quote=CA renter]
And I also believe that race is not the issue in either of these cases. IMO, if you changed their race to white, but kept all other variables (size, behavior, etc.) the same, these cases would have ended the same way. [/quote]

Pure speculation. Maybe if Eric Garner was white, the police would have patted him on the back for a job well done of helping breaking up a fight instead of killing him for selling loose cigarettes.

http://time.com/3016326/eric-garner-video-police-chokehold-death/

[CA renter]

[quote=ltsdd][quote=CA renter]
And I also believe that race is not the issue in either of these cases. IMO, if you changed their race to white, but kept all other variables (size, behavior, etc.) the same, these cases would have ended the same way. [/quote]

Pure speculation. Maybe if Eric Garner was white, the police would have patted him on the back for a job well done of helping breaking up a fight instead of killing him for selling loose cigarettes.

http://time.com/3016326/eric-garner-video-police-chokehold-death/%5B/quote%5D

Either way, it’s pure speculation. Believing that this was because he was black is 100% speculative (and, IMO, total nonsense). There’s no reason to believe they would have treated a white person any differently under the same circumstances.

His widow’s own words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsQc45bZyaE

Again, I think these cops were in the wrong. Just saying that race probably wasn’t the issue here.

And if the cops were really harassing his family after this incident (specifically for the purpose of shutting them up or bullying them because of the incident), they need to lose their jobs, IMO.

[CA renter]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=CA renter][quote=scaredyclassic]also, when they choke out a middle aged white lawyer when he refuses a citation for for a leaky sprinkler, it’ll take some of the gusto out of the race argument.

or some mouth white soccer mom having a bad day venting at a traffic cop and refusing some command or other. choke her out![/quote]

I think there have been some cases where mouthy white women were roughly treated by some cops. And then there were these cases, which I find every bit as disturbing as the Garner case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiH4vFdpY_I

http://www.infowars.com/georgia-police-strip-search-drivers-during-minor-traffic-stops/

White mom in minivan gets tasered in front of her kids:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/mom_in_minivan_tasered_in_traf.html%5B/quote%5D

tasered through winter clothing? Please. She needed to get shot if she were a big black dude in a winter coat which a teaser can’t poenetrate. At least a beatdown. Refusing direct police orders? Very dangerous….the taser did nothing under the circs.e[/quote]

The officer’s first attempt was thwarted a bit by her coat. He opened her coat when he tasered (tazed?) her a second time; at least, that’s how I read it. In front of her kids, too.

Lots of cops overstep their bounds, but you have to consider the number of interactions they have, too. The vast majority of calls/stops go rather smoothly, and some of those are very high-stress situations, too. We just don’t hear about them on the news.

[spdrun]

And if the cops were really harassing his family after this incident (specifically for the purpose of shutting them up or bullying them because of the incident), they need to lose their jobs, IMO.

No. They need to lose their jobs AND be indicted for criminal harassment and uttering terroristic threats. A message needs to be sent that harassment by people in positions of public trust is unacceptable.

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