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December 5, 2014 at 8:26 AM #780761December 5, 2014 at 8:48 AM #780765
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GuestYes, I’ll advised for practical reasons. Stupid is not correct.
December 5, 2014 at 1:37 PM #780784
svelteParticipant[quote=SK in CV][quote=svelte]It is terrible that he died yes, but he was certainly not cooperating.
I don’t care if you’re white, black, yellow or orange if you don’t cooperate with police then they should be able to use force to make you cooperate.
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Cooperate or die? Really?[/quote]
Twisting my words? Really?
December 5, 2014 at 4:27 PM #780792SK in CV
Participant[quote=svelte][quote=SK in CV][quote=svelte]It is terrible that he died yes, but he was certainly not cooperating.
I don’t care if you’re white, black, yellow or orange if you don’t cooperate with police then they should be able to use force to make you cooperate.
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Cooperate or die? Really?[/quote]
Twisting my words? Really?[/quote]
Nope. You’re the one that made the argument that it’s Garner’s fault that he’s dead because he didn’t cooperate.
December 6, 2014 at 11:30 AM #780801scaredyclassic
Participantwe can do this the hard way or the easy way. or i could just choke you out. that’s a third way. so. what’ll it be? the hard way, the easy way, or asphyxiation?
isnt selling individual cigs kind of a public service…?
December 6, 2014 at 11:33 AM #780802Participantbad things happen when the community doesnt trust the police to do the right thing.. see for instance, this page from a new children’s book…
http://www.mandatory.com/2014/04/04/todays-funniest-photos/15
December 6, 2014 at 3:41 PM #780808Participanthere’s an interesting case…
http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-sues-roll-own-cigarette-shops-over-taxes-073231566.html
lawsuit over roll your own cigs shop.
it is about the taxes. thats why they had to strangle him. lost tax money.
December 9, 2014 at 3:14 PM #780889CA renter
ParticipantI totally agree that the cops in the Garner case were out of line (IMO), but the cop in the Brown case was not.
If you haven’t seen this video, it shows why cops sometimes have to act in ways that many of us would think are over the top.
And another one showing what cops have to deal with, even during regular traffic stops (which happen to be when many officers are shot/assaulted/killed).
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A86.JyTVgYdUTgYAYBIPxQt.;_ylc=X1MDMjExNDcwMDU1OQRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1tb3ppbGxhLTAwMQRncHJpZAM4Rlo0S3l6S1Q5YV9CNkUxWDJMVHNBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzU2BHF1ZXJ5A3ZpZGVvIG9mIGNvcCBiZWluZyBzaG90IG1hbiBmdXIgY29hdCBkdXJpbmcgdHJhZmZpYyBzdG9wBHRfc3RtcAMxNDE4MTY2NzU4?p=video+of+cop+being+shot+man+fur+coat+during+traffic+stop&fr2=sb-top-search&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
This is more in response to the claim that Officer Wilson shouldn’t have shot Michael Brown because he was unarmed.
Cops have to make split-second decisions that often have life-or-death consequences. In the vast majority of cases, cops have no idea if someone is armed or not.
December 9, 2014 at 4:43 PM #780890Anonymous
Guest[quote=CA renter]Cops have to make split-second decisions that often have life-or-death consequences. In the vast majority of cases, cops have no idea if someone is armed or not.[/quote]
When in doubt, shoot the other guy … after all, he might be a criminal.
Protect and Serve
December 9, 2014 at 7:13 PM #780894Hobie
ParticipantLike I suggested to Brian, some of you need to spend an evening in a ‘ride a long’ with local cops. It’s free, and will open your eyes. Enough of the knee jerk reaction to cops techniques. Go ahead, try yourself to negotiate with a crazy person. Live and learn. We live with lots of crazy.
December 9, 2014 at 7:35 PM #780895Participant[quote=Hobie]Like I suggested to Brian, some of you need to spend an evening in a ‘ride a long’ with local cops. It’s free, and will open your eyes. Enough of the knee jerk reaction to cops techniques. Go ahead, try yourself to negotiate with a crazy person. Live and learn. We live with lots of crazy.[/quote]
it’s the price we pay for the 2nd am. And shit loads of guns in a culture of violence where cops reasonably believed people who hate them are armed. It seems unfair though when they jump the gun more on black citizens. If they do.
December 9, 2014 at 8:11 PM #780897Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Hobie]Like I suggested to Brian, some of you need to spend an evening in a ‘ride a long’ with local cops. It’s free, and will open your eyes. Enough of the knee jerk reaction to cops techniques. Go ahead, try yourself to negotiate with a crazy person. Live and learn. We live with lots of crazy.[/quote]
it’s the price we pay for the 2nd am. And shit loads of guns in a culture of violence where cops reasonably believed people who hate them are armed. It seems unfair though when they jump the gun more on black citizens. If they do.[/quote]
It’s a matter of statistical odds, I think. They will be more wary in circumstances that warrant it, at least in their minds. What we need to ask — and HONESTLY answer — is why they think that certain situations are more dangerous than others.
December 9, 2014 at 8:12 PM #780898Participant[quote=Hobie]Like I suggested to Brian, some of you need to spend an evening in a ‘ride a long’ with local cops. It’s free, and will open your eyes. Enough of the knee jerk reaction to cops techniques. Go ahead, try yourself to negotiate with a crazy person. Live and learn. We live with lots of crazy.[/quote]
Exactly. It’s easy to be an armchair quarterback.
December 9, 2014 at 9:07 PM #780899GuestEasy to be an armchair quarterback?
It’s easy, too easy, to be a law-abiding citizen that is harassed, falsely accused, beat, or even killed by the people we pay to serve us.
Many inner-city minorities would love an opportunity to sit in an armchair and enjoy the protection of the police. No armchairs for them.
We’re all in this game. Some more than others, but nobody is in an armchair.
December 9, 2014 at 9:27 PM #780900njtosd
Participant[quote=CA renter]I totally agree that the cops in the Garner case were out of line (IMO), but the cop in the Brown case was not.
If you haven’t seen this video, it shows why cops sometimes have to act in ways that many of us would think are over the top.
And another one showing what cops have to deal with, even during regular traffic stops (which happen to be when many officers are shot/assaulted/killed).
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A86.JyTVgYdUTgYAYBIPxQt.;_ylc=X1MDMjExNDcwMDU1OQRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1tb3ppbGxhLTAwMQRncHJpZAM4Rlo0S3l6S1Q5YV9CNkUxWDJMVHNBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzU2BHF1ZXJ5A3ZpZGVvIG9mIGNvcCBiZWluZyBzaG90IG1hbiBmdXIgY29hdCBkdXJpbmcgdHJhZmZpYyBzdG9wBHRfc3RtcAMxNDE4MTY2NzU4?p=video+of+cop+being+shot+man+fur+coat+during+traffic+stop&fr2=sb-top-search&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
This is more in response to the claim that Officer Wilson shouldn’t have shot Michael Brown because he was unarmed.
Cops have to make split-second decisions that often have life-or-death consequences. In the vast majority of cases, cops have no idea if someone is armed or not.[/quote]
I agree with you in many ways. One difference, though, is that Officer Wilson intended that Michael Brown die (or be grievously harmed) whereas I do not believe the officers in the Eric Garner case intended, or had a reasonable belief that Eric Garner would die. Chokeholds are not a walk in the park (and I know they are not allowed by the NYPD), but I would say that the level of force used was less than with Michael Brown. It’s similar to the question of whether it’s worse to try to shoot someone and miss or to smack someone in the head who dies due to having an “egg-shell” skull.
Call me naive, but I’m not sure that either of these situations were racially motivated – I think there are a lot of power crazy police officers out there. -
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