OT: Ebola – Global Pandemic?

[Zeitgeist]

Hey zk guess what I am thinking since you are psychic.

[Zeitgeist]

First US Ebola Patient Dies

“Thomas A. Duncan, who became ill with Ebola after arriving from West Africa in Dallas two weeks ago, succumbed to the virus today (Sunday), reports Reuters. Duncan was fighting for his life at a Dallas hospital on today after his condition worsened to critical, according to the director of the US Centers for Disease Control.”

israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/305795#.VDGxtfldXEA

Not verified yet…

And on another ebola topic: “Frieden also said that, in theory, a sneeze or cough could spread the virus from someone experiencing Ebola symptoms. 

Officials had previously downplayed this possibility, focusing on direct contact with bodily fluids. 
There are certainly theoretical situations where someone sneezes … and you touch your eyes or mouth or nose,” and catch the virus from any transmitted particles, he said. 

“[But] realistically you can say what may be theoretically possible as opposed to what actually happens in the real world,” he added. 



http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/219626-officials-clam-up-about-ebola-response

[joec]

Yeah, it’s all pretty stupid with the whole cough/sneeze thing. I read that you can’t contract it via cough or sneeze, but when I sneeze or cough, I tend to do it with my open mouth so crap flies out.

It’s also reported that saliva, sweat can transmit it. That makes surfaces where a sick person might be (hot/chills leading to being SWEATY) a possible location for transmission.

All in all, better safe than sorry and avoid getting coughed at or touching random surfaces if you can avoid it.

[zk]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Hey zk guess what I am thinking since you are psychic.[/quote]

I don’t know what you’re thinking, but I know what you’re speaking: Gibberish.

[Zeitgeist]

[img_assist|nid=15152|title=See no evil|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75][quote=zk][quote=Zeitgeist]Hey zk guess what I am thinking since you are psychic.[/quote]

I don’t know what you’re thinking, but I know what you’re speaking: Gibberish.[/quote]
Your world view is simplistic.

[CA renter]

[quote=zk][quote=CA renter]

I’m not really using the term literally,[/quote]

No, but you were misrepresenting what I said and then calling me naive for having said it.

[quote=CA renter]
but if “rituals on/with dead people” is the primary way of spreading this disease, then how to you explain the cases where people were not “performing rituals” on dead people?[/quote]

Other non-casual contact.[/quote]

No, I’m not calling you naive. I’m calling the theory naive.

[zk]

[quote=Zeitgeist][img_assist|nid=15152|title=See no evil|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75][quote=zk][quote=Zeitgeist]Hey zk guess what I am thinking since you are psychic.[/quote]

I don’t know what you’re thinking, but I know what you’re speaking: Gibberish.[/quote]
Your world view is simplistic.[/quote]

I’m very curious to hear why you think that.

[zk]

[quote=CA renter]

No, I’m not calling you naive. I’m calling the theory naive.[/quote]

What “theory,” exactly, are you calling naive?

[CA renter]

[quote=zk][quote=CA renter]

No, I’m not calling you naive. I’m calling the theory naive.[/quote]

What “theory,” exactly, are you calling naive?[/quote]

Here is my quote:

[quote=CA renter]

So, the notion that you have to be “digging around” in a sick/dead patient’s blood, feces, urine, saliva, teardrops, etc. is a bit naive, IMHO. Apparently, it doesn’t take much contact with bodily fluids, and it can be transmitted via very casual contact, like carrying a pregnant woman with the disease to a taxi, or decontaminating a chair. And to claim that it’s not airborne, as if the virus dies suddenly when mucus/saliva is forcefully expelled from the body by a cough or sneeze, seems a bit too optimistic.[/quote]

Also, “casual contact” means contact that isn’t sexual or where one wouldn’t consciously expect fluids to be exchanged. And the story about the journalist didn’t say anything at all about the chair being soaked in any blood or bodily fluids. While I’m guessing a patient had used the chair, bodily fluids were not mentioned, and they made a point to say that safety measures were in place.

If someone picks their nose or sneezes into their hand, and then holds onto a stair rail or touches a door handle, it sounds like that’s enough for transmission. This sounds very much like a highly contagious disease.

Remember, the govt was telling people that the air was safe to breathe after the Sept 11 attacks, even when they knew otherwise. We have no reason to blindly believe what they are telling us. Their #1 job is to prevent panic and chaos, not necessarily to ensure our safety. If you need evidence of this, just look at the stories above about the guys with the pressure washer and the hiring of private “hazmat” guys from Illinois to decontaminate the apartment — where four people had been living with soiled sheets and towels — FIVE days after this man was diagnosed.

[Anonymous]

[quote=CA renter]Remember, the govt was telling people that the air was safe to breathe after the Sept 11 attacks, even when they knew otherwise. We have no reason to blindly believe what they are telling us.[/quote]

Although CAR is arguing that public-sector employees are untrustworthy, I think that there are occasions where they do tell the truth.

[zk]

[quote=CA renter]
Also, “casual contact” means contact that isn’t sexual or where one wouldn’t consciously expect fluids to be exchanged. And the story about the journalist didn’t say anything at all about the chair being soaked in any blood or bodily fluids. While I’m guessing a patient had used the chair, bodily fluids were not mentioned, and they made a point to say that safety measures were in place.[/quote]
In both the carrying of the woman and the decontaminating of the chair, you’re assuming a lack of bodily fluids. It’s those kinds of assumptions that lead to your invalid conclusions. It doesn’t make sense to use those examples to conclude that the virus is easier to transmit then “they” are telling you it is when you don’t really know what the situation was.
[quote=CA renter]
If someone picks their nose or sneezes into their hand, and then holds onto a stair rail or touches a door handle, it sounds like that’s enough for transmission. This sounds very much like a highly contagious disease. [/quote]
“Sounds like” doesn’t seem like much to go on. What makes it “sound like” to you that holding a stair rail after sneezing into your hand is enough to spread the disease?
[quote=CA renter]
Remember, the govt was telling people that the air was safe to breathe after the Sept 11 attacks, even when they knew otherwise. We have no reason to blindly believe what they are telling us. Their #1 job is to prevent panic and chaos, not necessarily to ensure our safety. If you need evidence of this, just look at the stories above about the guys with the pressure washer and the hiring of private “hazmat” guys from Illinois to decontaminate the apartment — where four people had been living with soiled sheets and towels — FIVE days after this man was diagnosed.[/quote]
No doubt some mistakes were made. But I don’t see how that translates into “the government is hiding things from us to a degree that makes a large –scale outbreak something to worry about.”

Unless you have a propensity to see these kinds of things where there is nothing. Conspiracy theorists and paranoids of all stripes are constantly seeing some massive, horrible, world-changing, armageddon-type event on the horizon, but they don’t seem daunted by the fact that they’re basically always wrong.

[Aecetia]

“…but they don’t seem daunted by the fact that they’re basically always wrong.”

You know what they say, “Never say never and always avoid always.”

[outtamojo]

Medical staff in Texas must be better practitioners of Standard Precautions – or, very lucky indeed. This one in Spain caught it from a known patient. My heart goes out to her and her family.
And no, Spain is not about to be wiped from the face of the Earth but nonchalance should not be the order of the day.

http://news.yahoo.com/first-outside-africa-nurse-spain-hospital-contracts-ebola-174043185.html

[zk]

[quote=outtamojo]Medical staff in Texas must be better practitioners of Standard Precautions – or, very lucky indeed. This one in Spain caught it from a known patient. My heart goes out to her and her family.
And no, Spain is not about to be wiped from the face of the Earth but nonchalance should not be the order of the day.

http://news.yahoo.com/first-outside-africa-nurse-spain-hospital-contracts-ebola-174043185.html%5B/quote%5D

Concur. Nonchalance greatly increases the chance of new cases of the disease.

[FlyerInHi]

Anthony Fauci, going on 74, of NIH, has been on our TV screens for decades now. He still looks the same. He must be doing something right to stay in good health.

[Author]

Posts