OT: Details of the Tesla Motor’s WhiteStar sedan emerges.

[nostradamus]

It is definitely consumer-driven. We will not further alternative energy vehicles until there is a demand for them. Problem is, the price and performance of electric vehicles is still far from that of gas-driven… so people will usually choose the gas-driven unless they have the luxury (i.e. funds) to go with the electric. Even I am relying on my combustion-engines to this day.

[patb]

45K for a family sedan?
I can get a prius for 28K and it’s backed by toyota

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45K for a family sedan?
I can get a prius for 28K and it’s backed by toyota

[patb]

45K for a family sedan?
I can get a prius for 28K and it’s backed by toyota

[patb]

45K for a family sedan?
I can get a prius for 28K and it’s backed by toyota

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45K for a family sedan?
I can get a prius for 28K and it’s backed by toyota

[temeculaguy]

That silver one in the picture is the roadster, being delivered now or soon and completely sold out. With regards to performance vs gas, it outperforms, 0-60 in 4.0 or similar, will outrun a lambo or ferrari at twice the cost but it completely sold out to celebs and the same ilk that buy ferrari’s. They only made it to get street credibility and to prove that a car that gets over 100 mpg equivalent cost (that was when gas was $2.50) can perform and not be what they call a “punishment car” and what I call a “birth control car.” Their white star was supposed to be similar to a 5 series bmw and go for 50k but their real invention was the battery and powerplant technology, how to take those high end remote control sports cars and make them big. They will likely never become an auto giant but go with a microsoft or intel business model and just make and license the power and battery for major auto makers. They don’t make much more than that on their cars now, having lotus build the frame and body for the roadster. It’s a silicon valley startup so that’s my guess where things will end up and the Daimler talks is the first evidence that they are leaning that way.

I know you’d prefer a prius but there are many people out there who see their car as more than just a mode of transportation, the prius rules at the pump but fails everywhere else. Plus it’s 50 mpg isn’t enough, tesla technology would take the prius beyond 100 mpg equivalent and it’s my guess that it will be incorporated into it. Or if someone else gets their first, it will put the prius out of business if you can get a mercedes c class to get 100 mpg for 40k, game over.

[temeculaguy]

That silver one in the picture is the roadster, being delivered now or soon and completely sold out. With regards to performance vs gas, it outperforms, 0-60 in 4.0 or similar, will outrun a lambo or ferrari at twice the cost but it completely sold out to celebs and the same ilk that buy ferrari’s. They only made it to get street credibility and to prove that a car that gets over 100 mpg equivalent cost (that was when gas was $2.50) can perform and not be what they call a “punishment car” and what I call a “birth control car.” Their white star was supposed to be similar to a 5 series bmw and go for 50k but their real invention was the battery and powerplant technology, how to take those high end remote control sports cars and make them big. They will likely never become an auto giant but go with a microsoft or intel business model and just make and license the power and battery for major auto makers. They don’t make much more than that on their cars now, having lotus build the frame and body for the roadster. It’s a silicon valley startup so that’s my guess where things will end up and the Daimler talks is the first evidence that they are leaning that way.

I know you’d prefer a prius but there are many people out there who see their car as more than just a mode of transportation, the prius rules at the pump but fails everywhere else. Plus it’s 50 mpg isn’t enough, tesla technology would take the prius beyond 100 mpg equivalent and it’s my guess that it will be incorporated into it. Or if someone else gets their first, it will put the prius out of business if you can get a mercedes c class to get 100 mpg for 40k, game over.

[temeculaguy]

That silver one in the picture is the roadster, being delivered now or soon and completely sold out. With regards to performance vs gas, it outperforms, 0-60 in 4.0 or similar, will outrun a lambo or ferrari at twice the cost but it completely sold out to celebs and the same ilk that buy ferrari’s. They only made it to get street credibility and to prove that a car that gets over 100 mpg equivalent cost (that was when gas was $2.50) can perform and not be what they call a “punishment car” and what I call a “birth control car.” Their white star was supposed to be similar to a 5 series bmw and go for 50k but their real invention was the battery and powerplant technology, how to take those high end remote control sports cars and make them big. They will likely never become an auto giant but go with a microsoft or intel business model and just make and license the power and battery for major auto makers. They don’t make much more than that on their cars now, having lotus build the frame and body for the roadster. It’s a silicon valley startup so that’s my guess where things will end up and the Daimler talks is the first evidence that they are leaning that way.

I know you’d prefer a prius but there are many people out there who see their car as more than just a mode of transportation, the prius rules at the pump but fails everywhere else. Plus it’s 50 mpg isn’t enough, tesla technology would take the prius beyond 100 mpg equivalent and it’s my guess that it will be incorporated into it. Or if someone else gets their first, it will put the prius out of business if you can get a mercedes c class to get 100 mpg for 40k, game over.

[temeculaguy]

That silver one in the picture is the roadster, being delivered now or soon and completely sold out. With regards to performance vs gas, it outperforms, 0-60 in 4.0 or similar, will outrun a lambo or ferrari at twice the cost but it completely sold out to celebs and the same ilk that buy ferrari’s. They only made it to get street credibility and to prove that a car that gets over 100 mpg equivalent cost (that was when gas was $2.50) can perform and not be what they call a “punishment car” and what I call a “birth control car.” Their white star was supposed to be similar to a 5 series bmw and go for 50k but their real invention was the battery and powerplant technology, how to take those high end remote control sports cars and make them big. They will likely never become an auto giant but go with a microsoft or intel business model and just make and license the power and battery for major auto makers. They don’t make much more than that on their cars now, having lotus build the frame and body for the roadster. It’s a silicon valley startup so that’s my guess where things will end up and the Daimler talks is the first evidence that they are leaning that way.

I know you’d prefer a prius but there are many people out there who see their car as more than just a mode of transportation, the prius rules at the pump but fails everywhere else. Plus it’s 50 mpg isn’t enough, tesla technology would take the prius beyond 100 mpg equivalent and it’s my guess that it will be incorporated into it. Or if someone else gets their first, it will put the prius out of business if you can get a mercedes c class to get 100 mpg for 40k, game over.

[temeculaguy]

That silver one in the picture is the roadster, being delivered now or soon and completely sold out. With regards to performance vs gas, it outperforms, 0-60 in 4.0 or similar, will outrun a lambo or ferrari at twice the cost but it completely sold out to celebs and the same ilk that buy ferrari’s. They only made it to get street credibility and to prove that a car that gets over 100 mpg equivalent cost (that was when gas was $2.50) can perform and not be what they call a “punishment car” and what I call a “birth control car.” Their white star was supposed to be similar to a 5 series bmw and go for 50k but their real invention was the battery and powerplant technology, how to take those high end remote control sports cars and make them big. They will likely never become an auto giant but go with a microsoft or intel business model and just make and license the power and battery for major auto makers. They don’t make much more than that on their cars now, having lotus build the frame and body for the roadster. It’s a silicon valley startup so that’s my guess where things will end up and the Daimler talks is the first evidence that they are leaning that way.

I know you’d prefer a prius but there are many people out there who see their car as more than just a mode of transportation, the prius rules at the pump but fails everywhere else. Plus it’s 50 mpg isn’t enough, tesla technology would take the prius beyond 100 mpg equivalent and it’s my guess that it will be incorporated into it. Or if someone else gets their first, it will put the prius out of business if you can get a mercedes c class to get 100 mpg for 40k, game over.

[Coronita]

Regarding  Hybrid cars. From a pure financial sense, some numbers…

 

Toyota Prius $22,160 (if you can buy one for that).
Toyota Yaris $15,885 (almost same equipment)
$6,275 diff.
Prius 46mpg/avg
Yaris 32mpg/avg
prius 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,467.41
Yaris 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,109.38
diff = $641.97

9 years to see the savings.

Realistically, I believe you end up spending closer to $26k for a prius because toyota "makes" to get options you might not want, versus something else like a Yaris you can "strip" down a car (I don't see a point in folks that want basic transportation to load up the car with luxuries either).

Some claim prius is a mid-sized car, so this isn't a fair comparison… So, if you want a fairer comparison

Toyota Camry LE $20,685
Toyota Camry Hybrid $25,860
$5,175 diff.

Camry LE 25mpg/avg
Camry Hybrid 34mpg/avg

Camry LE 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,700
Camry Hybrid 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,985.29

diff = $714.71

It will take 7 years to recoup the cost.

Also, this doesn't include the cost of replacing the battery out-of-warranty if you plan on keeping the car for that long, which will currently set you back $3k for toyota's  and $2k for hondas respectively, though owners of the first gen prius have reported less than 1% needed a battery replacement. For me, I keep my cars until they go into the ground. Don't know if that applies to everyone though.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Regarding  Hybrid cars. From a pure financial sense, some numbers…

 

Toyota Prius $22,160 (if you can buy one for that).
Toyota Yaris $15,885 (almost same equipment)
$6,275 diff.
Prius 46mpg/avg
Yaris 32mpg/avg
prius 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,467.41
Yaris 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,109.38
diff = $641.97

9 years to see the savings.

Realistically, I believe you end up spending closer to $26k for a prius because toyota "makes" to get options you might not want, versus something else like a Yaris you can "strip" down a car (I don't see a point in folks that want basic transportation to load up the car with luxuries either).

Some claim prius is a mid-sized car, so this isn't a fair comparison… So, if you want a fairer comparison

Toyota Camry LE $20,685
Toyota Camry Hybrid $25,860
$5,175 diff.

Camry LE 25mpg/avg
Camry Hybrid 34mpg/avg

Camry LE 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,700
Camry Hybrid 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,985.29

diff = $714.71

It will take 7 years to recoup the cost.

Also, this doesn't include the cost of replacing the battery out-of-warranty if you plan on keeping the car for that long, which will currently set you back $3k for toyota's  and $2k for hondas respectively, though owners of the first gen prius have reported less than 1% needed a battery replacement. For me, I keep my cars until they go into the ground. Don't know if that applies to everyone though.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Regarding  Hybrid cars. From a pure financial sense, some numbers…

 

Toyota Prius $22,160 (if you can buy one for that).
Toyota Yaris $15,885 (almost same equipment)
$6,275 diff.
Prius 46mpg/avg
Yaris 32mpg/avg
prius 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,467.41
Yaris 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,109.38
diff = $641.97

9 years to see the savings.

Realistically, I believe you end up spending closer to $26k for a prius because toyota "makes" to get options you might not want, versus something else like a Yaris you can "strip" down a car (I don't see a point in folks that want basic transportation to load up the car with luxuries either).

Some claim prius is a mid-sized car, so this isn't a fair comparison… So, if you want a fairer comparison

Toyota Camry LE $20,685
Toyota Camry Hybrid $25,860
$5,175 diff.

Camry LE 25mpg/avg
Camry Hybrid 34mpg/avg

Camry LE 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,700
Camry Hybrid 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,985.29

diff = $714.71

It will take 7 years to recoup the cost.

Also, this doesn't include the cost of replacing the battery out-of-warranty if you plan on keeping the car for that long, which will currently set you back $3k for toyota's  and $2k for hondas respectively, though owners of the first gen prius have reported less than 1% needed a battery replacement. For me, I keep my cars until they go into the ground. Don't know if that applies to everyone though.

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Regarding  Hybrid cars. From a pure financial sense, some numbers…

 

Toyota Prius $22,160 (if you can buy one for that).
Toyota Yaris $15,885 (almost same equipment)
$6,275 diff.
Prius 46mpg/avg
Yaris 32mpg/avg
prius 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,467.41
Yaris 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,109.38
diff = $641.97

9 years to see the savings.

Realistically, I believe you end up spending closer to $26k for a prius because toyota "makes" to get options you might not want, versus something else like a Yaris you can "strip" down a car (I don't see a point in folks that want basic transportation to load up the car with luxuries either).

Some claim prius is a mid-sized car, so this isn't a fair comparison… So, if you want a fairer comparison

Toyota Camry LE $20,685
Toyota Camry Hybrid $25,860
$5,175 diff.

Camry LE 25mpg/avg
Camry Hybrid 34mpg/avg

Camry LE 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $2,700
Camry Hybrid 15k/yr $4.50/gal. = $1,985.29

diff = $714.71

It will take 7 years to recoup the cost.

Also, this doesn't include the cost of replacing the battery out-of-warranty if you plan on keeping the car for that long, which will currently set you back $3k for toyota's  and $2k for hondas respectively, though owners of the first gen prius have reported less than 1% needed a battery replacement. For me, I keep my cars until they go into the ground. Don't know if that applies to everyone though.

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

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