OT: Carlsbad Police Brutality

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

[quote=meadandale]I’d like to see some of you do the job of police work day in and day out of the comfort of your desk chair.[/quote]

So what’s your point?

You think it’s ok for cops to arrest people for bullshit charges and then punch them in the face while doing so?

I get that some some people like to lick boots. Everyone has their thing. If that’s your thing, then go to the local FOP party, be sure to wear kneepads and have a good time.

But you certainly aren’t making a good argument that it should be legal for cops to punch people in the face.

[spdrun]

She only got punched in the face after the second officer showed up and she increased her attempts to get free.

And it’s a pity she wasn’t an MMA expert who’d beat the shit out of those cowards. She was apparently arrested for asking questions and reporting the cops’ rudeness to the precinct. That’s not acceptable.

[PCinSD]

Her attorneys were the ones who released that video. But they declined to release the video Hahn took, that started the encounter. I’m guessing that video does not show her in a sympathetic light.

[NotCranky]

[quote=PCinSD]Her attorneys were the ones who released that video. But they declined to release the video Hahn took, that started the encounter. I’m guessing that video does not show her in a sympathetic light.[/quote]

Was she drunk? I can imagine she was disorderly or something like that , act like a real witch , maybe resisting arrest. At the minimum on the police side of fault, the punch and the knee to the head are wrong, unless it’s cage fighting practice. All parties can be guilty of something , but the cop is still guilty of excess force AKA brutality.

[outtamojo]

[quote=meadandale][quote=spdrun]

But based on all the squirming and fighting back she was doing on the ground it’s clear she’s not cooperating. Surest way to get your ass beat by the cops is to fight back when they are trying to arrest you.

It’s a natural human instinct to squirm and fight when some piece of shit thug is punching you in the face. Do not try to excuse this shithead’s actions. Hope the city loses big, he gets fired, and he gets charged in a Federal civil rights (doesn’t have to involve race as law is written) rap as well.

Bet he beats his wife and daughter, too.[/quote]

She only got punched in the face after the second officer showed up and she increased her attempts to get free.

I’d like to see some of you do the job of police work day in and day out of the comfort of your desk chair.[/quote]

Only got punched in the face while being restrained…WOW. Apparently her instincts were proven correct when the second cop showed up.

Right Wing Authoritarian are we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

Oh I better add this to post from the Wiki : )
“The phrase right wing in right-wing authoritarianism does not necessarily refer to someone’s politics”

[spdrun]

All parties can be guilty of something , but the cop is still guilty of excess force AKA brutality.

Being a rude asshat is covered by the 1st Amendment last I checked. The Constitution isn’t dead. She might not be a nice person, but that doesn’t excuse official violence against her.

[NotCranky]

[quote=spdrun]

All parties can be guilty of something , but the cop is still guilty of excess force AKA brutality.

Being a rude asshat is covered by the 1st Amendment last I checked. The Constitution isn’t dead. She might not be a nice person, but that doesn’t excuse official violence against her.[/quote]

I condemned the violence. That seems obvious. I said at least some of it was criminal. You are basing your whole point of view on things we haven’t seen yet and don’t know the truth about. The first cop wanted to arrest her , right or wrong, I am not sure. I am pretty sure she resisted or the two of them would not have ended up on the ground. Do we have a different story based on facts? How can we know something criminal on the part of the first cop had happened up to that point? I think we can’t unless you take sides on hearsay.

[spdrun]

DA dropped the charges — it seems like she was ONLY charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a cop. What was the reason for the original arrest?

The whole thing stinks. And apparently there’s video of the original cop cursing her out and acting like a complete d’bag.

[NotCranky]

DA dropped the charges to balance the cop kicking her in the head and try to do damage control on that.

Lots of people get arrested and charges get dropped. Doesn’t mean they can fight the cops in the interim. I don’t know the story, just want a little more than apparently this and apparently that.

[spdrun]

If the cop really arrested her because she complained to his superiors about him cursing her out, then it’s a shame he didn’t get his yarbles stomped by an angry mob. Much as I hate the idea of vigilantism, some people deserve it.

Question is, should we comply with all demands of some asshole in uniform, or should there be limits if the demands are blatantly and completely illegal?

Edit: apparently the cop followed her and pulled her for a “seatbelt violation.” Basically, he stalked her and found a reason to assault her. Fuck that guy.

[CA renter]

We’ve had many interactions with the Carlsbad PD. With the exception of one loud-mouthed, aggressive jerk, they were all exceptionally professional and well-mannered. They were so nice, we were actually shocked by their behavior.

In one instance a friend’s young child called 911 from a park phone without telling anyone (the other kids came up and told us about it after he had made the call). Up in L.A., the cops come down hard on the parents when something like this happens. But the Carlsbad police officer who responded to the call saw that the boy was freaking out — he thought he was going to jail — and gave a public education demonstration to the kids, showing them all the gear they wear and answering questions the kids had, etc., instead of threatening and berating us. He was **amazing** in the way he handled everything. And that was just one incident; we’ve had others that were also very positive.

I agree with meadandale and blogstar. We are only shown a video of what happened after-the-fact. She might be a middle-aged white woman driving a minivan with two kids in it, but that doesn’t mean she’s a model citizen. It was pretty clear in this video that she was putting up a fight and resisting arrest. We really can’t make a determination based on this short snippet of a video. We need to see and hear the entire story in order to make an informed judgment.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter] But the Carlsbad police officer who responded to the call saw that the boy was freaking out — he thought he was going to jail — and gave a public education demonstration to the kids, showing them all the gear they wear and answering questions the kids had, etc., instead of threatening and berating us. He was **amazing** in the way he handled everything. And that was just one incident; we’ve had others that were also very positive.

I agree with meadandale and blogstar. We are only shown a video of what happened after-the-fact. She might be a middle-aged white woman driving a minivan with two kids in it, but that doesn’t mean she’s a model citizen. It was pretty clear in this video that she was putting up a fight and resisting arrest. We really can’t make a determination based on this short snippet of a video. We need to see and hear the entire story in order to make an informed judgment.[/quote]

Pretty sad when for no particular reason *not* getting beat up by the police qualifies as an amazing experience.

CAR, if the police are beating you up protecting yourself is not resisting arrest. Well, maybe it is in an socialist/authoritarian fascist police state.

If video existed out there to counter this video account of police brutality, it would be out there. It isn’t, because it doesn’t exist.

In a free society you have the right to defend yourself.

[CA renter]

Do you honestly believe they just started beating her up for no reason? Sorry, but I’m not buying that (though I do believe it happens on occasion, and fully support termination and jail time for the perpetrators). Even reading the story, it’s clear that there are a lot of pieces missing from the story. They just gloss over a lot of transition points.

[paramount]

[quote=CA renter]Do you honestly believe they just started beating her up for no reason? [/quote]

No, I don’t.

They beat her up because she called into HQ with a complaint and they decided to retaliate.

As pointed out, a gang/criminal organization would do the same thing.

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