ot. black with a legal concealed weapon.

[Anonymous]

[quote=AN]But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]

Oh it’s worse than that! … what are they doing about heart disease or cancer? Because that’s what kills the majority of blacks.

And they should be really outraged at sickle cell anemia, because that disease is downright racist.

Why doesn’t BLM say anything about these negro-killers?

Your are trying to base your argument on a literal interpretation of the BLM name.

BLM’s charter is to raise awareness and change policy because of what they perceive as unjust killings of blacks by law enforcement. The fact that the movement’s name doesn’t precisely describe their goals is in no way relevant to their legitimacy.

But maybe it still bothers you. If so, you must be really upset at the March of Dimes and the Masons, and utterly baffled by the activities of the Moose club.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Imprimatur of the state. I love it, scaredy!

A couple days ago, an Australian friend used that term. I love fancy vocabulary.[/quote]

i always have a few dictionaries around the house. over the years, we spent many an evening discussing word meanings,with my kids as issues arise.

recently we got the complete oxford eng. dictionary. its difficult to break out,at the dining table. the smaller websters is more practical.

im sure my kids will have many strange memories about me,arguing with my wife,about what a particular word in a book was intended to mean.

[no_such_reality]

Body cams.

Mandatory body cams.

You can all me an idiot, but if you’ve already got your gun drawn and pointed at the guy, maybe you can wait until he gets the gun out before you shot him for your being afraid he’s going to pull out a gun? And, I still don’t want that job.

I suspect any trained officer should be able to squeeze off a couple rounds into the guy in the time it’ll take to get it clear of a concealed holster and pointed out the window.

or do we continue pre-emptively killing everybody because we’re afraid of a highly skilled kill shot past the body armor from the holstered weapon?

No body cam, so this is all he said/ she said and brother in blue says.

But who knows, maybe he made a high speed grab for “the weapon”, which seems odd for a man with his woman and child in the car….

[creechrr]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]

I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.[/quote]
Agree. But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]

I’m not understanding what “Black on Black crime” has to do with the itchy trigger fingers of the police. I fail to see the correlation between the two problems.

Can you explain?

Whites are way more likely to be the victimized by another white person than by a member of any other group. So, if you’re white, living in a white neighborhood, you’re more likely to be murdered, raped, robbed, etc. by one of your neighbors than anyone else. We don’t hear about “white on white crime”. It wasn’t even a thing till recently. Why is that?

Historically, the black and white populations have been the largest segments in the US. Not discounting any other groups.

I also think we need to acknowledge that the police are shooting everyone not just blacks. I think the difference is that the black community is the first to actually acknowledge the problem and attempt to take action.

Take a look at the comments of any news article, YouTube video, Facebook post about police brutality and I guarantee, you find the some variation of the “but, he was a criminal so he deserved it comment”. This regardless of race but, it becomes more intense are the melanin level increases. The criminal offense may have a decade ago or not even proven through due process.

I find it really odd because this nation proclaims to be about rule of law, due process, and innocent until proven guilty but, it’s not really how we operate.

[SK in CV]

[quote=creechrr]

I also think we need to acknowledge that the police are shooting everyone not just blacks. I think the difference is that the black community is the first to actually acknowledge the problem and attempt to take action.

[/quote]

No. Just no.

Police killing people that don’t have to be killed is a problem. A huge problem. Cops who shoot every time their life is in danger are a problem. They’re cops. Everyone can’t be an f’ing hero. But that’s why they’re cops. They should be heros. They should be the guys (and women) who fear for their lives and DON’T shoot.

For the last few years, blacks have been almost 3 times more likely to be shot by cops than whites. Native Americans are more likely too. This calendar year, 6 times more likely. Cops are trained to be wary of people who might want to harm them. But they should also be trained to not panic. If they shoot before they have to, it’s because they panic, and if they panic, they’re not qualified to be cops.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV]So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. [/quote]
Never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Whatever, I’m done.

[SK in CV]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. [/quote]
Never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Whatever, I’m done.[/quote]

Ok, fair enough. That’s not what you said. Why do you want to see equal rage? Why is that important? Why do you think there isn’t equal rage?

[an]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. [/quote]
Never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Whatever, I’m done.[/quote]

Ok, fair enough. That’s not what you said. Why do you want to see equal rage? Why is that important? Why do you think there isn’t equal rage?[/quote]Why do I want equal rage? Why is it important? Because ALL Black Lives Matter regardless of how it was taken. Especially those of children and innocent bystander who happen to be poor who have to live in the project because they’re poor. I’m much more enraged about some innocent kid getting killed by stray bullet from a gang shoot out than a gang banger or criminal being shot by a cop. I didn’t see BLM going and march for that little girl who was studying in her room and got killed by a stray bullet by some gang banger.

Why do I think there isn’t equal rage? Because black on black killing have been going on for a long time and BLM only started recently AND they only come out for marches and rallies when it’s cop killing black person.

As for your stats, a similar stats can be said going the other way. Cops are 3 times more likely to be killed by a black person than a white person, just like a black person is 3 times more likely to be killed by a cop.

[SK in CV]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. [/quote]
Never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Whatever, I’m done.[/quote]

Ok, fair enough. That’s not what you said. Why do you want to see equal rage? Why is that important? Why do you think there isn’t equal rage?[/quote]Why do I want equal rage? Why is it important? Because ALL Black Lives Matter regardless of how it was taken. Especially those of children and innocent bystander who happen to be poor who have to live in the project because they’re poor. I’m much more enraged about some innocent kid getting killed by stray bullet from a gang shoot out than a gang banger or criminal being shot by a cop. I didn’t see BLM going and march for that little girl who was studying in her room and got killed by a stray bullet by some gang banger.

Why do I think there isn’t equal rage? Because black on black killing have been going on for a long time and BLM only started recently AND they only come out for marches and rallies when it’s cop killing black person.

As for your stats, a similar stats can be said going the other way. Cops are 3 times more likely to be killed by a black person than a white person, just like a black person is 3 times more likely to be killed by a cop.[/quote]

Here’s stats:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

You have stats that cops are 3 times more likely to be killed by black man than a white man?

BLM has not been going on for just a couple years. The discriminatory treatment of blacks by law enforcement, which BLM is protesting, has literally been going on for centuries.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV]Here’s stats:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

You have stats that cops are 3 times more likely to be killed by black man than a white man?

BLM has not been going on for just a couple years. The discriminatory treatment of blacks by law enforcement, which BLM is protesting, has literally been going on for centuries.[/quote]
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/960/img/photos/2014/11/28/17/41/WEB113014-ohio-ferguson-killed-5g_1.jpg

If you’re saying BLM = Black Against Police Brutality, then you’re correct. But then they shouldn’t call themselves Black Lives Matter then, because that’s not what they’re fighting for. If that’s what you think BLM means, then we can agree that black on black crime is irrelevant. That’s not what I understand Black Lives Matter to mean. I take it literally to mean, ALL Black Lives Matter.

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN][ What I want is equal outrage by the black on black crime. Is it really that hard to understand? [/quote]

It’s a red herring and false equivalence. Kinda like saying the breast cancer people should advocate equally for testicular cancer.[/quote]Bad analogy. If BLM is named Black People Against Cop Killing, then you’d have a valid analogy. A more correct analogy would be a group naming themselves American For Cancer Cure concentrating all of their energy and money on Ovarian Cancer while completely ignoring lunch, breast, prostate cancers (the 3 leading cancer deaths).

[njtosd]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. [/quote]
Never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Whatever, I’m done.[/quote]

Ok, fair enough. That’s not what you said. Why do you want to see equal rage? Why is that important? Why do you think there isn’t equal rage?[/quote]

Well – there is a clear difference. Police are representatives of our society, employed by our governments and provided with special powers. They are held to a higher standard than the random people on the street. The San Diego police, for example, are acting on behalf of me and other citizens. Random acts of violence in San Diego are not carried out on my behalf, or on behalf of any other citizens.

Which is not to say that any of it is ok, but there is a significant difference.

[joec]

With all this stuff going on, why on earth would anyone want to be a cop in general? You’re a big target for terrorists, people who don’t like cops in general like in this case perhaps and the pay tends to be much worst than what I hear for fire-fighters who seem to be welcomed when they come and help in a scene.

I can see for many big cities with a lot of crime, no one would even bother being a cop since it’s a crap job and you have a big bullseye on your back.

That and the constant cam monitoring, being possibly shot anytime, etc and with all this press, seems like a dead end for most folks if you get scared or freaked in the moment if some wackjob has a gun.

I don’t know the specifics of why those other 2 people got shot the other day and the cops maybe are at fault, but it seems like if you are patrolling a bad area and everyone looks belligerent and give you dirty looks, you’d probably be pretty trigger happy too.

They really need black cops in these areas to patrol the areas they live in…

[FlyerInHi]

BLM is just a name of a group. They can focus on whatever is important to them at any point in time. Just because there are other important matters does’t minimize police shootings.

[Anonymous]

[quote=AN]If you’re saying BLM = Black Against Police Brutality, then you’re correct. But then they shouldn’t call themselves Black Lives Matter then, because that’s not what they’re fighting for. If that’s what you think BLM means, then we can agree that black on black crime is irrelevant. That’s not what I understand Black Lives Matter to mean. I take it literally to mean, ALL Black Lives Matter.[/quote]

It’s true. The dead that they mourn really don’t matter because the name of the organization is not quite right.

[Author]

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