ot. black with a legal concealed weapon.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]

I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.[/quote]
Agree. But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]

Well, I’m sure BLM supports things like better inner city schools and improving the conditions of poverty that tend to lead to the murders associated with the drug trade.

But this is sort of a red herring argument, as there is plenty of white-on-white killing too. Murder is illegal, and we have an okay if imperfect system for dealing with murderers.

In the short run, there are a lot more reforms that can be done regarding policing than there are in ending poverty and the drug trade. One good proposal I’ve seen is consolidating police forces. Most European countries don’t cede control of the police to local authorities, and overall it seems like our model isn’t working well at all.

[SK in CV]

[quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]

Tragedies? As far as the NRA is concerned, they weren’t tragedies. They were successes. You know….good (white) guy with a gun. Crickets. That’s what you’ll here. Crickets.[/quote]

I’m not a member of the NRA and I don’t like (or own) guns. But just because someone is in favor gun ownership doesn’t make them racist homicidal maniacs.[/quote]

You’ve mistaken my words as being about gun owners. It’s not. I didn’t mention gun owners.

[moneymaker]

I’ve always thought the police in San Diego were trigger happy, evidently this is common everywhere. Accountability is sorely lacking as Queen Latifah said and she comes from a family of police officers.

[SK in CV]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]

I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.[/quote]
Agree. But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]

What exactly does one have to do with the other?

Are you saying that it’s fine that cops kill innocent people if they’re black, as long as criminals in Chicago are killing black people too? You’re usually a pretty logical guy. This one makes no sense whatsoever.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=poorgradstudent]
In the short run, there are a lot more reforms that can be done regarding policing than there are in ending poverty and the drug trade. One good proposal I’ve seen is consolidating police forces. Most European countries don’t cede control of the police to local authorities, and overall it seems like our model isn’t working well at all.[/quote]

I read that too. There is a lot of police abuse at the local level. Lots of buddy buddy stuff going on at the local level

[livinincali]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=poorgradstudent]
In the short run, there are a lot more reforms that can be done regarding policing than there are in ending poverty and the drug trade. One good proposal I’ve seen is consolidating police forces. Most European countries don’t cede control of the police to local authorities, and overall it seems like our model isn’t working well at all.[/quote]

I read that too. There is a lot of police abuse at the local level. Lots of buddy buddy stuff going on at the local level[/quote]

I’m not sure that you need to consolidate all police operations at the state or federal level. We’re a much larger country and don’t have a good track record of federal oversight of local services. See the Department of Education for example. You probably need to create an independent agency that investigates police transgressions and shootings. The local DA or even a neighboring one is too tightly intertwined and buddy buddy. That can be at the state level.

[no_such_reality]

I saw Mitt Romney’s we need to see everyone as people post this morning on facebook. I saw the replies.

We’re in deep shit.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]

I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.[/quote]
Agree. But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]

What exactly does one have to do with the other?

Are you saying that it’s fine that cops kill innocent people if they’re black, as long as criminals in Chicago are killing black people too? You’re usually a pretty logical guy. This one makes no sense whatsoever.[/quote]
Uh… no. Read the first word in my response. What I want is equal outrage by the black on black crime. Is it really that hard to understand? It’s NEVER fine for cops to kill anybody (innocent or otherwise), if their life is not in imminent danger. Why would you even assume that?

[an]

[quote=poorgradstudent]Well, I’m sure BLM supports things like better inner city schools and improving the conditions of poverty that tend to lead to the murders associated with the drug trade.

But this is sort of a red herring argument, as there is plenty of white-on-white killing too. Murder is illegal, and we have an okay if imperfect system for dealing with murderers.

In the short run, there are a lot more reforms that can be done regarding policing than there are in ending poverty and the drug trade. One good proposal I’ve seen is consolidating police forces. Most European countries don’t cede control of the police to local authorities, and overall it seems like our model isn’t working well at all.[/quote]My question is, if Black Lives Matter really mean black lives matter, then why concentrate on one cause of black death while not showing as much anger toward a much bigger cause of black death? Shouldn’t there be even more anger toward a much bigger cause of black death?

As for cops shooting black men, Gary Johnson said it best. The root cause is the War on Drugs. If we legalize drugs, then cops wouldn’t need to incarcerate black men for dealing or using drugs. Most of black men who are incarcerated is due to drug related charges. Once you’re in the system, it would be much harder for you to find jobs and lead a productive life.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=AN][ What I want is equal outrage by the black on black crime. Is it really that hard to understand? [/quote]

It’s a red herring and false equivalence. Kinda like saying the breast cancer people should advocate equally for testicular cancer.

[SK in CV]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]

I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.[/quote]
Agree. But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]

What exactly does one have to do with the other?

Are you saying that it’s fine that cops kill innocent people if they’re black, as long as criminals in Chicago are killing black people too? You’re usually a pretty logical guy. This one makes no sense whatsoever.[/quote]
Uh… no. Read the first word in my response. What I want is equal outrage by the black on black crime. Is it really that hard to understand? It’s NEVER fine for cops to kill anybody (innocent or otherwise), if their life is not in imminent danger. Why would you even assume that?[/quote]

Why equal outrage? Why is that important? Why is it even related? We can’t fix cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate they kill whites across the country until there’s sufficient rage about something happening in Chicago? (Do you know there isn’t equal rage? Have you spent any time in the south side of Chicago?) Please think this one through before you respond. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV]Why equal outrage? Why is that important? Why is it even related? We can’t fix cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate they kill whites across the country until there’s sufficient rage about something happening in Chicago? (Do you know there isn’t equal rage? Have you spent any time in the south side of Chicago?) Please think this one through before you respond. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.[/quote]
Because Black Lives Matters. Think long and hard about those 3 words and maybe you’ll understand.

[SK in CV]

[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]Why equal outrage? Why is that important? Why is it even related? We can’t fix cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate they kill whites across the country until there’s sufficient rage about something happening in Chicago? (Do you know there isn’t equal rage? Have you spent any time in the south side of Chicago?) Please think this one through before you respond. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.[/quote]
Because Black Lives Matters. Think long and hard about those 3 words and maybe you’ll understand.[/quote]

I know exactly what those words mean. So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. So to you, black lives don’t matter, unless someone else does something. Because that kid in Minneapolis that just lost his father doesn’t mean shit. Because he’s only another black man. And if people that have no relationship to him don’t start getting pissed off, then you don’t give a shit about him either. That makes no f’ing sense. None.

I wonder why they didn’t round up Chinese and Koreans like they did with Japanese during WWII, and put them in internment camps. We didn’t hear much from them about Pearl Harbor. They didn’t say anything at all. They should have been rounded up too. Don’tcha think?

[scaredyclassic]

Illegal government action is just different than private actor action. When the state acts, it triggers different legal standards, but it also triggers a different reaction from people.

For instance. Consider two different machete attacks. One, a civilian nutjob takes a machete out behind a 7-11 and beheads someone. Bad.

Second, a court holds a trial in Missouri, finds the defendant guilty of shoplifting, and decides to lop off the defendant’s hand with a machete. worse!

The second incident is much, much more alarming, even though it’s only a hand, not a head, because it carries the imprimatur of the state. We are much more concerned about a court

system that ignores the law and brandishes machete justice than we are, as a society, about private actors.

Police officers are state actors and represent the government. When they act illegally, it is more like the second example than the first. That’s where the outrage comes from.

Now, the individual cop might really be a rogue, nutjob outlier (assuming he actually did something wrong). But we can still expect more scrutiny, more outrage, when a state actor acts than a private individual. It seems to carry the stamp of approval of society.

this is not irrational, any more than it would be to be upset about Hmong internment camps if, theoretically hmong people were also simyltaneously criminally but privately individually kidnapping brides as part of a cultural relic from their homeland. just because they are occasionally individually imposing b on each others freedom doesnt mean a gov. internment program is not orders of magnitude more alarming

[FlyerInHi]

Imprimatur of the state. I love it, scaredy!

A couple days ago, an Australian friend used that term. I love fancy vocabulary.

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