OT: Bimbo Eruptions

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=ctr70]But I would really love to see a REAL business person get the presidency (George W. was not a REAL self-made business person and Arnold was an actor, not a real biz person). Just like I was hoping a businesswomen (Meg Whitman) would have won the CA governorship vs. the career bureaucrat that won. No more lawyers and career bureaucrats that have never had real jobs outside of politics. I like to see someone that has had the responsibility of employing people in the private sector, running a company, innovating, running a balance sheet, etc… I have always wanted to see Micheal Bloomberg run.[/quote]
On paper this kind of thinking sounds good, but in practice Good Government is nothing like Good Business. Businesses exist to make money, governments exist to provide public services. As a business owner if you’re doing something that isn’t profitable, you can stop doing it. Government has an obligation to continue taking care of the disabled and the elderly and defending our borders, even though it can’t make money doing it.

Having worked in both private and public sector jobs, I’m surprised by the “government is wasteful compared to private enterprise” argument. Sure, inefficient businesses eventually fail. But on the whole, given the scope of what it does, the government does a lot of things very, very well. The last company I worked for was incredibly wasteful in how much we paid our mediocre CEO. Upper management made mistakes left and right thanks to not listening to the concerns of workers how their new initiatives actually reduced productivity. Middle managers often fudged numbers on their failed pet projects to save their skins. Show me a private company that doesn’t have plenty of waste and fat to trim, and I bet there are no more than 2-3 employees working there.

I will agree that because both sides of the political aisle are in bed with huge corporations, government does very little to really incentivize small businesses. Both sides pander around election time, but policy rarely cuts in favor of the little guy.

[NotCranky]

[quote=eavesdropper][quote=urbanrealtor]If he settled a harassment complaint (or 2) for about 100k and did not actually get some ass in the process, then I am calling him out as a straight up punk…..[/quote]

This is true. I’m afraid that such a scenario does not speak well of his effectiveness as a innovative businessman or tough negotiator.

It brings to mind the picture of the ineffective career politician so frequently derided by Mr. Cain.[/quote]

How is he supposed to get “some ass” from someone who doesn’t want it and then get away with sexual harassment instead of rape? The victim would call the police before a lawyer right? Are there cases where the “sexually harassed” actually voluntarily went all the way that don’t get laughed out of court…if the person has the nerve to go there?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=poorgradstudent] …….That said, I don’t really care, because Cain is a terrible Presidential candidate anyways. 9-9-9 is a huge tax increase and wealth redistribution plan, stealing from the poor and giving to corporations. Cain has no coherent policy on social issues; he had a rational moderate stance on abortion that he flipped on when he realized it wouldn’t fly with Republican primary voters.[/quote]

I, likewise, give the finger to the whole sexual harassment thing, or at least to the incredible overreaction of the press. What is truly disturbing is that this same press has done nothing toward reporting on and documenting Mr. Cain’s absolute unsuitability for this office in both intellect and experience. Watching him in debates and in interviews is like watching Sarah Palin……except Sarah is smarter.

He’s pulled stuff from his ass so often that I’d swear he’s had a larynx surgically transplanted there. Someone asks what he plans to do about healthcare, and he comes out with this long stream of absolute BS made up of terms that he thinks are appropriate. He refers to his “solutions” that are, in reality, “ideas” that are totally without form or substance. If he comes up with a “plan”, it is so extremely broad-based as to be laughable.

Yet, the press, for the most part, has never questioned these very serious shortcomings, either before or following his rise in the polls. I find it indescribably depressing that we have a national political press corps that cannot identify such eloquently and effectively presented characteristics of ineptitude such as those consistently demonstrated by Mr. Cain. Perhaps it is because the savvy and fearless political reporters of yesterday are today’s paid “guest pundits” on completely-one-sided media outlets, and the current political press corps is made up of youthful and inexperienced bloggers who interpret “keen and insightful political analysis” as agreeing or disagreeing with someone else’s paid blog entry.

However, in Mr. Cain’s defense, not much more credit can be afforded the other Republican candidates. Of the eight, only Paul, Huntsman, and Gingrich are appreciably more intelligent, and at the minimum level required of a President; however Paul and Gingrich have problems that outweigh that superiority. Gary Johnson and Buddy Roehmer are both very bright, and have cogent, detailed plans for addressing the issues, but neither has been able to procure a seat at the table. I look at those who have received the vast majority of media attention, and it’s a surreal experience in the absurd – like watching a DC-based Monty Python episode.

[markmax33]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=markmax33] The problem is there hasn’t been a President to have a balanced budget and THEREFORE could not lower taxes. [/quote]

Yes, there was. Clinton, his last 3 years in office. Better than balanced, a nominal surplus in excess of $400 billion his last 3 years, and even ignoring the huge SS surplus in those years, still had a surplus in each of those years. With tax rates higher than they are today. Those pesky facts.[/quote]

No those pesky facts don’t take into account the federal reserve lowering interest rates and creating the surplus. It had nothing to do with Clinton, just the business cycle. It was short lived as the tech bubble bust a year or two later.

Those pesky facts…

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Jacarandoso][quote=eavesdropper][quote=urbanrealtor]If he settled a harassment complaint (or 2) for about 100k and did not actually get some ass in the process, then I am calling him out as a straight up punk…..[/quote]

This is true. I’m afraid that such a scenario does not speak well of his effectiveness as a innovative businessman or tough negotiator.

It brings to mind the picture of the ineffective career politician so frequently derided by Mr. Cain.[/quote]

How is he supposed to get “some ass” from someone who doesn’t want it and then get away with sexual harassment instead of rape? The victim would call the police before a lawyer right? Are there cases where the “sexually harassed” actually voluntarily went all the way that don’t get laughed out of court…if the person has the nerve to go there?[/quote]

In forming my response, I took the liberty of interpreting (perhaps in error) urbanrealtor’s post as one written tongue-in-cheek style, with a dollop of sarcasm. It was the intent to continue in this vein in my response, using phrases and references often utilized by Mr. Cain to communicate negative or positive qualities. It was not meant to be a serious response, nor was it meant to belittle the seriousness of the charge of sexual harassment.

However, you bring up a salient point that has not been observed (or at least commented upon) by our on-the-job reporters and pundits in Washington, when they listen to Herman Cain (and his erstwhile Marlboro Man campaign manager) insist that the National Restaurant Association paid off Cain’s accusers because “sexual harrassment is very difficult to prove”.

Exactly! Any form of harassment, particularly in the absence of clear-cut physical evidence, is virtually impossible to prove. Lawyers know this, and many will not take a plaintiff’s case if no such evidence is in existence. However, it was up to the PLAINTIFFS in the Cain-related cases to PROVE the charge, not the National Restaurant Association. And one can be sure that the NRA’s corporate attorneys would not have settled even one dollar on any of those women unless they believed that their client was about to be placed in a position of having to DEFEND itself against charges that were supported by compelling evidence.

So, yeah, I’m thinking ol’Herman’s guilty in spades. And coming on the heels of that bizarre campaign advertisement, where he breaks into that “I know something you don’t know” creepy smile at the end, I’m gonna have a real hard time changing my mind.

[urbanrealtor]

Yes it was tongue in cheek (or in santorum) and no I really don’t think that its okay to commit sexual battery.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]….Although… The presence of Gloria Allred makes me a bit itchy. That succubus hasn’t met a camera she doesn’t like and her relationship with facts and the truth is notoriously elastic.[/quote]

Which begs the question……why doesn’t she run for the House or the Senate?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Yes it was tongue in cheek (or in santorum) and no I really don’t think that its okay to commit sexual battery.[/quote]
BUUUUUTTT:
(and this is the part where everybody rolls their eyes in disgust and annoyance)

There are 2 types of people who are considered lecherous.

1: Horndogs who get play.
2: Creepy weirdos.

And yes there is a spectrum between.
My point is that its really much more sad to be the second. Cain really has the vibe of the second.
I don’t know that and don’t have any inside evidence (other than the news) but that is my gut.
That bums me out.
He was a republican that I actually liked.
Kind of like Romney before he clearly decided to play musical positions.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]….Although… The presence of Gloria Allred makes me a bit itchy. That succubus hasn’t met a camera she doesn’t like and her relationship with facts and the truth is notoriously elastic.[/quote]

Which begs the question……why doesn’t she run for the House or the Senate?[/quote]

Ironically, that makes her somewhat more honest (by not running).

[svelte]

[quote=eavesdropper]
So, yeah, I’m thinking ol’Herman’s guilty in spades. And coming on the heels of that bizarre campaign advertisement, where he breaks into that “I know something you don’t know” creepy smile at the end, I’m gonna have a real hard time changing my mind.[/quote]

I have to agree with you about that smile. When I saw it on that commercial (before the sex stuff broke), I must say it gave me HUGE pause.

I interpreted that smile as “yeah, I’m a playa.”

It looks like maybe I was right.

[equalizer]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=urbanrealtor]Yes it was tongue in cheek (or in santorum) and no I really don’t think that its okay to commit sexual battery.[/quote]
BUUUUUTTT:
(and this is the part where everybody rolls their eyes in disgust and annoyance)

There are 2 types of people who are considered lecherous.

1: Horndogs who get play.
2: Creepy weirdos.

And yes there is a spectrum between.
My point is that its really much more sad to be the second. Cain really has the vibe of the second.
I don’t know that and don’t have any inside evidence (other than the news) but that is my gut.
That bums me out.
He was a republican that I actually liked.
Kind of like Romney before he clearly decided to play musical positions.[/quote]

Four simple rules for workplace:

1. Be handsome
2. Be attractive
3. Don’t be unattractive
4. Be nice so people will overlook a minor faux pas if you can’t follow the first three rules.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/258532/

[NotCranky]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=urbanrealtor]Yes it was tongue in cheek (or in santorum) and no I really don’t think that its okay to commit sexual battery.[/quote]
BUUUUUTTT:
(and this is the part where everybody rolls their eyes in disgust and annoyance)

There are 2 types of people who are considered lecherous.

1: Horndogs who get play.
2: Creepy weirdos.

And yes there is a spectrum between.
My point is that its really much more sad to be the second. Cain really has the vibe of the second.
I don’t know that and don’t have any inside evidence (other than the news) but that is my gut.
That bums me out.
He was a republican that I actually liked.
Kind of like Romney before he clearly decided to play musical positions.[/quote]

I actually got what you were insinuating as to Mr. Cain’s plight with women. I get the sense he would even be a disaster as a wingman. So yeah, I think he did it too. I also think the particular accuser is in fact a bimbo…which makes it all sort of comical.Mr. “never gonna get it” meets job seeking Bimbo. Who needs bread and circuses when you have this?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=urbanrealtor][quote=walterwhite]people in power tend to be assholes.[/quote]

You had me at “dicks fuck assholes”.[/quote]

Dan: Awesome. How you managed to work in a “Team America: World Peace” reference is nothing short of amazing.[/quote]

Team America World Peace??!?!?!?!?!?

Dude.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=urbanrealtor][quote=walterwhite]people in power tend to be assholes.[/quote]

You had me at “dicks fuck assholes”.[/quote]

Dan: Awesome. How you managed to work in a “Team America: World Peace” reference is nothing short of amazing.[/quote]

Team America World Peace??!?!?!?!?!?

Dude.[/quote]

Dan: Well, shit. My Freudian slip is showing. Musta been channeling Gandhi or something.

Whoops.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]….Although… The presence of Gloria Allred makes me a bit itchy. That succubus hasn’t met a camera she doesn’t like and her relationship with facts and the truth is notoriously elastic.[/quote]

Which begs the question……why doesn’t she run for the House or the Senate?[/quote]

Eaves: Not enough money in it. And/or notoriety. Although, in a certain light, she’s a slightly more reptilian version of Pelosi.

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