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  • July 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM #436553
    scaredyclassic
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    why not just sell a car twice as big as the expedition to ensure survival to you an death tot he others? and double it again, every few years, until we are all in vehicles the size of earth-moving equipt?

    July 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM #436005
    equalizer
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    The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf

    July 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM #436211
    equalizer
    Participant

    The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf

    July 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM #436532
    equalizer
    Participant

    The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf

    July 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM #436604
    equalizer
    Participant

    The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf

    July 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM #436772
    equalizer
    Participant

    The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf

    July 23, 2009 at 10:22 PM #436010
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=equalizer]The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf%5B/quote%5D

    Probablly though sequoia has a smaller market share…Anyone have the that number? (too lazy to lookup)

    Also, I’d say some of these numbers are skewed not because the car is “unsafe”, but because the type of drivers that drive those cars aren’t…

    IE:

    1) Wannabe Riceboys
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193

    2) Wannabe Mullets
    Ford Mustang 150

    July 23, 2009 at 10:22 PM #436216
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=equalizer]The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf%5B/quote%5D

    Probablly though sequoia has a smaller market share…Anyone have the that number? (too lazy to lookup)

    Also, I’d say some of these numbers are skewed not because the car is “unsafe”, but because the type of drivers that drive those cars aren’t…

    IE:

    1) Wannabe Riceboys
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193

    2) Wannabe Mullets
    Ford Mustang 150

    July 23, 2009 at 10:22 PM #436537
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=equalizer]The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf%5B/quote%5D

    Probablly though sequoia has a smaller market share…Anyone have the that number? (too lazy to lookup)

    Also, I’d say some of these numbers are skewed not because the car is “unsafe”, but because the type of drivers that drive those cars aren’t…

    IE:

    1) Wannabe Riceboys
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193

    2) Wannabe Mullets
    Ford Mustang 150

    July 23, 2009 at 10:22 PM #436609
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=equalizer]The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf%5B/quote%5D

    Probablly though sequoia has a smaller market share…Anyone have the that number? (too lazy to lookup)

    Also, I’d say some of these numbers are skewed not because the car is “unsafe”, but because the type of drivers that drive those cars aren’t…

    IE:

    1) Wannabe Riceboys
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193

    2) Wannabe Mullets
    Ford Mustang 150

    July 23, 2009 at 10:22 PM #436777
    Coronita
    Participant

    [quote=equalizer]The definitive list of fatality rates by car for years 2002-2005 from IIHS.

    occupants are safest in this first list because they all go to bed before sunset, while for people in highest list cars the night is their world.

    Lowest rates of deaths per million registered vehicle years

    Vehicle overall death
    Chevrolet Astro 7
    Infiniti G35 11
    BMW 7 series 11
    Toyota 4Runner 13
    Audi A4/S4 Quattro 14
    Mercedes E class 14
    Toyota Highlander 14
    Mercedes M class 14
    Toyota Sienna 17
    Honda Odyssey 17
    Lexus ES 330 18
    Lexus RX 330 18
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Honda Pilot 19
    BMW X5 19

    Highest Rates of death

    Chevrolet Blazer 2dr 232
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193
    Kia Spectra hatchback 191
    Pontiac Sunfire 179
    Kia Rio 175
    Chevrolet Cavalier 171
    Mitsubishi Eclipse 169
    Dodge Neon 161
    Pontiac Grand Am 160
    Chevrolet Cavalier 150
    Ford Mustang 150
    Ford Ranger 150
    Mazda B series 147
    Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible 146
    Mitsubishi Montero Sport 146

    BTW Large SUV
    Toyota Sequoia 18
    Ford Expedition 49
    Chevrolet Tahoe 60
    Chevrolet Suburban 90

    Sequoia much fewer deaths.

    http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4204.pdf%5B/quote%5D

    Probablly though sequoia has a smaller market share…Anyone have the that number? (too lazy to lookup)

    Also, I’d say some of these numbers are skewed not because the car is “unsafe”, but because the type of drivers that drive those cars aren’t…

    IE:

    1) Wannabe Riceboys
    Acura RSX 202
    Nissan 350Z 193

    2) Wannabe Mullets
    Ford Mustang 150

    July 23, 2009 at 10:54 PM #436030
    equalizer
    Participant

    The numbers are the cold facts, reasons are bigger cars, safer drivers, daytime only, etc.

    Vehicle Exposure
    Toyota Sequoia 279,149
    Ford Expedition 326,504
    Chevrolet Tahoe 252,620
    Chevrolet Suburban 514,713

    Rates are driver deaths per million registered vehicle years. Two vehicles registered for 12 months each yield 2 vehicle years.

    July 23, 2009 at 10:54 PM #436236
    equalizer
    Participant

    The numbers are the cold facts, reasons are bigger cars, safer drivers, daytime only, etc.

    Vehicle Exposure
    Toyota Sequoia 279,149
    Ford Expedition 326,504
    Chevrolet Tahoe 252,620
    Chevrolet Suburban 514,713

    Rates are driver deaths per million registered vehicle years. Two vehicles registered for 12 months each yield 2 vehicle years.

    July 23, 2009 at 10:54 PM #436557
    equalizer
    Participant

    The numbers are the cold facts, reasons are bigger cars, safer drivers, daytime only, etc.

    Vehicle Exposure
    Toyota Sequoia 279,149
    Ford Expedition 326,504
    Chevrolet Tahoe 252,620
    Chevrolet Suburban 514,713

    Rates are driver deaths per million registered vehicle years. Two vehicles registered for 12 months each yield 2 vehicle years.

    July 23, 2009 at 10:54 PM #436629
    equalizer
    Participant

    The numbers are the cold facts, reasons are bigger cars, safer drivers, daytime only, etc.

    Vehicle Exposure
    Toyota Sequoia 279,149
    Ford Expedition 326,504
    Chevrolet Tahoe 252,620
    Chevrolet Suburban 514,713

    Rates are driver deaths per million registered vehicle years. Two vehicles registered for 12 months each yield 2 vehicle years.

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