OT: Airbags did not deploy

[equalizer]

The numbers are the cold facts, reasons are bigger cars, safer drivers, daytime only, etc.

Vehicle Exposure
Toyota Sequoia 279,149
Ford Expedition 326,504
Chevrolet Tahoe 252,620
Chevrolet Suburban 514,713

Rates are driver deaths per million registered vehicle years. Two vehicles registered for 12 months each yield 2 vehicle years.

[temeculaguy]

Because those stats are based per million registration years, the market share is already factored. But I have a theory why there is a difference between the three large domestic SUV’s and the toyota, because emergency vehicles are often large domestic suv’s, rarely are they toyotas.

Police, fire, forest rangers, utility workers and whole bunch of other folks who have to drive when it’s dark, pouring rain, the town is on fire or any other calamity when most people would stay home, those full size american SUV’s are out there and sometimes bad things happen when conditions are bad. I don’t blame the car, it’s chosen for that work for a reason and that work can be dangerous. I’ve owned a ford expedition and in retrospect, it was my favorite vehicle, got rear ended in it too, barley felt it, got rear ended by a car on the safe list and that guy went to the hospital, I didn’t even need advil.

I don’t dislike the sequoia, nice car, but I doubt it’s three times safer than a tahoe or expedition, I think it benefits from being in the garage when it’s danger time.

[temeculaguy]

Because those stats are based per million registration years, the market share is already factored. But I have a theory why there is a difference between the three large domestic SUV’s and the toyota, because emergency vehicles are often large domestic suv’s, rarely are they toyotas.

Police, fire, forest rangers, utility workers and whole bunch of other folks who have to drive when it’s dark, pouring rain, the town is on fire or any other calamity when most people would stay home, those full size american SUV’s are out there and sometimes bad things happen when conditions are bad. I don’t blame the car, it’s chosen for that work for a reason and that work can be dangerous. I’ve owned a ford expedition and in retrospect, it was my favorite vehicle, got rear ended in it too, barley felt it, got rear ended by a car on the safe list and that guy went to the hospital, I didn’t even need advil.

I don’t dislike the sequoia, nice car, but I doubt it’s three times safer than a tahoe or expedition, I think it benefits from being in the garage when it’s danger time.

[temeculaguy]

Because those stats are based per million registration years, the market share is already factored. But I have a theory why there is a difference between the three large domestic SUV’s and the toyota, because emergency vehicles are often large domestic suv’s, rarely are they toyotas.

Police, fire, forest rangers, utility workers and whole bunch of other folks who have to drive when it’s dark, pouring rain, the town is on fire or any other calamity when most people would stay home, those full size american SUV’s are out there and sometimes bad things happen when conditions are bad. I don’t blame the car, it’s chosen for that work for a reason and that work can be dangerous. I’ve owned a ford expedition and in retrospect, it was my favorite vehicle, got rear ended in it too, barley felt it, got rear ended by a car on the safe list and that guy went to the hospital, I didn’t even need advil.

I don’t dislike the sequoia, nice car, but I doubt it’s three times safer than a tahoe or expedition, I think it benefits from being in the garage when it’s danger time.

[temeculaguy]

Because those stats are based per million registration years, the market share is already factored. But I have a theory why there is a difference between the three large domestic SUV’s and the toyota, because emergency vehicles are often large domestic suv’s, rarely are they toyotas.

Police, fire, forest rangers, utility workers and whole bunch of other folks who have to drive when it’s dark, pouring rain, the town is on fire or any other calamity when most people would stay home, those full size american SUV’s are out there and sometimes bad things happen when conditions are bad. I don’t blame the car, it’s chosen for that work for a reason and that work can be dangerous. I’ve owned a ford expedition and in retrospect, it was my favorite vehicle, got rear ended in it too, barley felt it, got rear ended by a car on the safe list and that guy went to the hospital, I didn’t even need advil.

I don’t dislike the sequoia, nice car, but I doubt it’s three times safer than a tahoe or expedition, I think it benefits from being in the garage when it’s danger time.

[temeculaguy]

Because those stats are based per million registration years, the market share is already factored. But I have a theory why there is a difference between the three large domestic SUV’s and the toyota, because emergency vehicles are often large domestic suv’s, rarely are they toyotas.

Police, fire, forest rangers, utility workers and whole bunch of other folks who have to drive when it’s dark, pouring rain, the town is on fire or any other calamity when most people would stay home, those full size american SUV’s are out there and sometimes bad things happen when conditions are bad. I don’t blame the car, it’s chosen for that work for a reason and that work can be dangerous. I’ve owned a ford expedition and in retrospect, it was my favorite vehicle, got rear ended in it too, barley felt it, got rear ended by a car on the safe list and that guy went to the hospital, I didn’t even need advil.

I don’t dislike the sequoia, nice car, but I doubt it’s three times safer than a tahoe or expedition, I think it benefits from being in the garage when it’s danger time.

[svelte]

Related to this thread:

Honda is recalling 440,000 cars due to airbag problems:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/03/honda-adds-440-000-more-cars-to-airbag-fragment-recall/

Covers 2001, 2002, and 2003 cars…read article for specifics.

[svelte]

Related to this thread:

Honda is recalling 440,000 cars due to airbag problems:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/03/honda-adds-440-000-more-cars-to-airbag-fragment-recall/

Covers 2001, 2002, and 2003 cars…read article for specifics.

[svelte]

Related to this thread:

Honda is recalling 440,000 cars due to airbag problems:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/03/honda-adds-440-000-more-cars-to-airbag-fragment-recall/

Covers 2001, 2002, and 2003 cars…read article for specifics.

[svelte]

Related to this thread:

Honda is recalling 440,000 cars due to airbag problems:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/03/honda-adds-440-000-more-cars-to-airbag-fragment-recall/

Covers 2001, 2002, and 2003 cars…read article for specifics.

[svelte]

Related to this thread:

Honda is recalling 440,000 cars due to airbag problems:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/03/honda-adds-440-000-more-cars-to-airbag-fragment-recall/

Covers 2001, 2002, and 2003 cars…read article for specifics.

[Coronita]

[quote=flu][quote=svelte]I typed Tundra, should have said Sequoia.

We were talking about airbags deploying. That’s usually a frontal crash.

Here are the specifics for truck, small SUV, large SUV, large car, and small car (5 different categories)

Ford/Chev win 4 categories, and tie in one.

Now, how is it that Toyota is better?

Large truck winner: Ford and Chevy
2009 Chevrolet Silverado: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Ford F150: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Tundra: driver 4 start passenger 4 star

Large SUV winner: Ford and Chevy
09 Chevrolet Suburban: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Ford Expedition: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Sequoia: driver 5 star, passenger 4 star

Small SUV winner: Chevrolet (yes, the HHR was classified as a small SUV)

09 Chev HHR: Driver: 5 star Passenger: 5 star

09 Ford Edge: Driver 5 start Passenger 4 star

09 Toyota RAV 4 Driver: 5 star Passenger: 4 star
09 Scion xB: Driver: 4 star Passenger: 4 star

Full size winner: 3-way tie

09 Chevrolet Impala: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Taurus: Driver 5 start Passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Camry: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

Small car winner: Ford

09 Chevrolet Cobalt Driver 4 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Focus Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Corolla Driver 4 star Passenger 4 star[/quote]

Well, I thought you were talking about overall car safety, from which includes not just airbag deployment, but ensuring passenger/driver compartment remained intact and that passenger injuries were minimized. There are numerous reasons why/why not an airbag would/will not deploy at a given time depending on many factors. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not vouching for why this particular case the airbag didn’t deploy…But it’s not the first time I’ve heard a frontal impact and an airbag didn’t deploy…Happens all the time across all makes/models.

IIHS provides a comprehensive test of frontal,side, and rear impact test and soon to be evaluated roof strength.[/quote]

Svelte, funny to resurrect this…But it appears NHTSA are playing something funky with crash test ratings…. 2010 Tundra is now rated at 5 stars, despite how Toyota did nothing structurally for 2010 years…Hmmmm…I wonder who was stuffing NTSA’s pockets in 08/09….Time to put on the tin-foil hats…Even the IIHS results indicate this inconsistency…

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/04/report-toyota-tundra-finally-earns-its-fifth-star-but-how/

REPORT: Toyota Tundra finally earns its fifth star… but how?
When Toyota crashed the domestic automakers’ pickup party with the arrival of the 2007 Tundra, the truck-buying public took notice. Bad news struck the Tundra from the start, though, as heavy rebates were needed to move the new truck, and numerous quality issues were reported. Toyota has since addressed those issues, but one problem has continued to follow the truck: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration gave the Tundra a four star rating for front driver and passenger collisions, denoting a 11-20% chance of serious injury in a 35 mph crash. That’s one fewer star than the competition from Dodge, Chevy, and Ford, and a big-time marketing disadvantage for Toyota. The four star rating became a bit more puzzling when the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety named the Tundra a Top Safety Pick for 2008. Toyota seemed dumbfounded as to why its truck received a four star rating, but the Japanese automaker may have received some vindication for the 2010 model year.

The star power of the Tundra has finally been amped up for the new model year, as NHTSA is now giving the Double Cab and Crew Max configurations of the truck a five star rating. The regular cab Tundra hasn’t been tested. There have been several changes to the 2010 Tundra, including interior and exterior updates, plus a new 310 horsepower 4.6-liter V8 engine. Pickuptrucks.com contacted Toyota to see what structural changes were made to the Tundra to improve its crash test scores, and Toyota reportedly told the website that no structural changes to the trucks frame were made, and no safety enhancements have been added. Interesting.

[Coronita]

[quote=flu][quote=svelte]I typed Tundra, should have said Sequoia.

We were talking about airbags deploying. That’s usually a frontal crash.

Here are the specifics for truck, small SUV, large SUV, large car, and small car (5 different categories)

Ford/Chev win 4 categories, and tie in one.

Now, how is it that Toyota is better?

Large truck winner: Ford and Chevy
2009 Chevrolet Silverado: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Ford F150: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Tundra: driver 4 start passenger 4 star

Large SUV winner: Ford and Chevy
09 Chevrolet Suburban: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Ford Expedition: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Sequoia: driver 5 star, passenger 4 star

Small SUV winner: Chevrolet (yes, the HHR was classified as a small SUV)

09 Chev HHR: Driver: 5 star Passenger: 5 star

09 Ford Edge: Driver 5 start Passenger 4 star

09 Toyota RAV 4 Driver: 5 star Passenger: 4 star
09 Scion xB: Driver: 4 star Passenger: 4 star

Full size winner: 3-way tie

09 Chevrolet Impala: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Taurus: Driver 5 start Passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Camry: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

Small car winner: Ford

09 Chevrolet Cobalt Driver 4 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Focus Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Corolla Driver 4 star Passenger 4 star[/quote]

Well, I thought you were talking about overall car safety, from which includes not just airbag deployment, but ensuring passenger/driver compartment remained intact and that passenger injuries were minimized. There are numerous reasons why/why not an airbag would/will not deploy at a given time depending on many factors. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not vouching for why this particular case the airbag didn’t deploy…But it’s not the first time I’ve heard a frontal impact and an airbag didn’t deploy…Happens all the time across all makes/models.

IIHS provides a comprehensive test of frontal,side, and rear impact test and soon to be evaluated roof strength.[/quote]

Svelte, funny to resurrect this…But it appears NHTSA are playing something funky with crash test ratings…. 2010 Tundra is now rated at 5 stars, despite how Toyota did nothing structurally for 2010 years…Hmmmm…I wonder who was stuffing NTSA’s pockets in 08/09….Time to put on the tin-foil hats…Even the IIHS results indicate this inconsistency…

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/04/report-toyota-tundra-finally-earns-its-fifth-star-but-how/

REPORT: Toyota Tundra finally earns its fifth star… but how?
When Toyota crashed the domestic automakers’ pickup party with the arrival of the 2007 Tundra, the truck-buying public took notice. Bad news struck the Tundra from the start, though, as heavy rebates were needed to move the new truck, and numerous quality issues were reported. Toyota has since addressed those issues, but one problem has continued to follow the truck: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration gave the Tundra a four star rating for front driver and passenger collisions, denoting a 11-20% chance of serious injury in a 35 mph crash. That’s one fewer star than the competition from Dodge, Chevy, and Ford, and a big-time marketing disadvantage for Toyota. The four star rating became a bit more puzzling when the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety named the Tundra a Top Safety Pick for 2008. Toyota seemed dumbfounded as to why its truck received a four star rating, but the Japanese automaker may have received some vindication for the 2010 model year.

The star power of the Tundra has finally been amped up for the new model year, as NHTSA is now giving the Double Cab and Crew Max configurations of the truck a five star rating. The regular cab Tundra hasn’t been tested. There have been several changes to the 2010 Tundra, including interior and exterior updates, plus a new 310 horsepower 4.6-liter V8 engine. Pickuptrucks.com contacted Toyota to see what structural changes were made to the Tundra to improve its crash test scores, and Toyota reportedly told the website that no structural changes to the trucks frame were made, and no safety enhancements have been added. Interesting.

[Coronita]

[quote=flu][quote=svelte]I typed Tundra, should have said Sequoia.

We were talking about airbags deploying. That’s usually a frontal crash.

Here are the specifics for truck, small SUV, large SUV, large car, and small car (5 different categories)

Ford/Chev win 4 categories, and tie in one.

Now, how is it that Toyota is better?

Large truck winner: Ford and Chevy
2009 Chevrolet Silverado: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Ford F150: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Tundra: driver 4 start passenger 4 star

Large SUV winner: Ford and Chevy
09 Chevrolet Suburban: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Ford Expedition: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Sequoia: driver 5 star, passenger 4 star

Small SUV winner: Chevrolet (yes, the HHR was classified as a small SUV)

09 Chev HHR: Driver: 5 star Passenger: 5 star

09 Ford Edge: Driver 5 start Passenger 4 star

09 Toyota RAV 4 Driver: 5 star Passenger: 4 star
09 Scion xB: Driver: 4 star Passenger: 4 star

Full size winner: 3-way tie

09 Chevrolet Impala: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Taurus: Driver 5 start Passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Camry: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

Small car winner: Ford

09 Chevrolet Cobalt Driver 4 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Focus Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Corolla Driver 4 star Passenger 4 star[/quote]

Well, I thought you were talking about overall car safety, from which includes not just airbag deployment, but ensuring passenger/driver compartment remained intact and that passenger injuries were minimized. There are numerous reasons why/why not an airbag would/will not deploy at a given time depending on many factors. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not vouching for why this particular case the airbag didn’t deploy…But it’s not the first time I’ve heard a frontal impact and an airbag didn’t deploy…Happens all the time across all makes/models.

IIHS provides a comprehensive test of frontal,side, and rear impact test and soon to be evaluated roof strength.[/quote]

Svelte, funny to resurrect this…But it appears NHTSA are playing something funky with crash test ratings…. 2010 Tundra is now rated at 5 stars, despite how Toyota did nothing structurally for 2010 years…Hmmmm…I wonder who was stuffing NTSA’s pockets in 08/09….Time to put on the tin-foil hats…Even the IIHS results indicate this inconsistency…

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/04/report-toyota-tundra-finally-earns-its-fifth-star-but-how/

REPORT: Toyota Tundra finally earns its fifth star… but how?
When Toyota crashed the domestic automakers’ pickup party with the arrival of the 2007 Tundra, the truck-buying public took notice. Bad news struck the Tundra from the start, though, as heavy rebates were needed to move the new truck, and numerous quality issues were reported. Toyota has since addressed those issues, but one problem has continued to follow the truck: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration gave the Tundra a four star rating for front driver and passenger collisions, denoting a 11-20% chance of serious injury in a 35 mph crash. That’s one fewer star than the competition from Dodge, Chevy, and Ford, and a big-time marketing disadvantage for Toyota. The four star rating became a bit more puzzling when the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety named the Tundra a Top Safety Pick for 2008. Toyota seemed dumbfounded as to why its truck received a four star rating, but the Japanese automaker may have received some vindication for the 2010 model year.

The star power of the Tundra has finally been amped up for the new model year, as NHTSA is now giving the Double Cab and Crew Max configurations of the truck a five star rating. The regular cab Tundra hasn’t been tested. There have been several changes to the 2010 Tundra, including interior and exterior updates, plus a new 310 horsepower 4.6-liter V8 engine. Pickuptrucks.com contacted Toyota to see what structural changes were made to the Tundra to improve its crash test scores, and Toyota reportedly told the website that no structural changes to the trucks frame were made, and no safety enhancements have been added. Interesting.

[Coronita]

[quote=flu][quote=svelte]I typed Tundra, should have said Sequoia.

We were talking about airbags deploying. That’s usually a frontal crash.

Here are the specifics for truck, small SUV, large SUV, large car, and small car (5 different categories)

Ford/Chev win 4 categories, and tie in one.

Now, how is it that Toyota is better?

Large truck winner: Ford and Chevy
2009 Chevrolet Silverado: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Ford F150: driver 5 star passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Tundra: driver 4 start passenger 4 star

Large SUV winner: Ford and Chevy
09 Chevrolet Suburban: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Ford Expedition: driver 5 star, passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Sequoia: driver 5 star, passenger 4 star

Small SUV winner: Chevrolet (yes, the HHR was classified as a small SUV)

09 Chev HHR: Driver: 5 star Passenger: 5 star

09 Ford Edge: Driver 5 start Passenger 4 star

09 Toyota RAV 4 Driver: 5 star Passenger: 4 star
09 Scion xB: Driver: 4 star Passenger: 4 star

Full size winner: 3-way tie

09 Chevrolet Impala: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Taurus: Driver 5 start Passenger 5 star
09 Toyota Camry: Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

Small car winner: Ford

09 Chevrolet Cobalt Driver 4 star Passenger 5 star
09 Ford Focus Driver 5 star Passenger 5 star

09 Toyota Corolla Driver 4 star Passenger 4 star[/quote]

Well, I thought you were talking about overall car safety, from which includes not just airbag deployment, but ensuring passenger/driver compartment remained intact and that passenger injuries were minimized. There are numerous reasons why/why not an airbag would/will not deploy at a given time depending on many factors. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not vouching for why this particular case the airbag didn’t deploy…But it’s not the first time I’ve heard a frontal impact and an airbag didn’t deploy…Happens all the time across all makes/models.

IIHS provides a comprehensive test of frontal,side, and rear impact test and soon to be evaluated roof strength.[/quote]

Svelte, funny to resurrect this…But it appears NHTSA are playing something funky with crash test ratings…. 2010 Tundra is now rated at 5 stars, despite how Toyota did nothing structurally for 2010 years…Hmmmm…I wonder who was stuffing NTSA’s pockets in 08/09….Time to put on the tin-foil hats…Even the IIHS results indicate this inconsistency…

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/04/report-toyota-tundra-finally-earns-its-fifth-star-but-how/

REPORT: Toyota Tundra finally earns its fifth star… but how?
When Toyota crashed the domestic automakers’ pickup party with the arrival of the 2007 Tundra, the truck-buying public took notice. Bad news struck the Tundra from the start, though, as heavy rebates were needed to move the new truck, and numerous quality issues were reported. Toyota has since addressed those issues, but one problem has continued to follow the truck: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration gave the Tundra a four star rating for front driver and passenger collisions, denoting a 11-20% chance of serious injury in a 35 mph crash. That’s one fewer star than the competition from Dodge, Chevy, and Ford, and a big-time marketing disadvantage for Toyota. The four star rating became a bit more puzzling when the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety named the Tundra a Top Safety Pick for 2008. Toyota seemed dumbfounded as to why its truck received a four star rating, but the Japanese automaker may have received some vindication for the 2010 model year.

The star power of the Tundra has finally been amped up for the new model year, as NHTSA is now giving the Double Cab and Crew Max configurations of the truck a five star rating. The regular cab Tundra hasn’t been tested. There have been several changes to the 2010 Tundra, including interior and exterior updates, plus a new 310 horsepower 4.6-liter V8 engine. Pickuptrucks.com contacted Toyota to see what structural changes were made to the Tundra to improve its crash test scores, and Toyota reportedly told the website that no structural changes to the trucks frame were made, and no safety enhancements have been added. Interesting.

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