Oil *was* a bubble

[Arraya]

http://postcarbon.org/end_growth

Several of us who have been watching the world oil production and depletion picture closely for the last few years are now concluding that the world has now seen the highest rate of production ever. Matt Simmons agrees: It’s all downhill from here.

The worldwide financial crisis, and the decline in available energy, mean that we may also have seen the final year of aggregate world economic growth.

This is a breathtaking statement. I found myself uttering it yesterday at a strategy meeting of some environmental and economic justice organizations organized by the International Forum on Globalization; I surprised even myself, and immediately began wondering whether what I had said could possibly by true.

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But imagine yourself talking to someone who has just lost her job. You tell this person, “You need to voluntarily further reduce your income and standard of living.” How’s that likely to go over?

Effective strategy demands recognition of the opportunities and limits of the unique historical moment. It seems that we have just moved from one historic moment to a very different one. In this situation, it’s more helpful to tell people (including policy makers) how to effectively deal with their immediate problems in a way that is consistent with long-term sustainability. Anything else will be irrelevant at best, extremely unwelcome at worst.

Growth is dead. Let’s make the most of it. A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.

[rydazzle]

[quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.

[rydazzle]

[quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.

[rydazzle]

[quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.

[rydazzle]

[quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.

[rydazzle]

[quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.

[Arraya]

[quote=rydazzle][quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.
[/quote]

Ok lets take off the dunce cap. Most oil experts put elasticity at around 10-20%. Now for extra credit tell me how much the supply/demand balance has to change to get a 45% drop. For extra extra credit tell me how much the balance has shifted over the past 6 months.

[Arraya]

[quote=rydazzle][quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.
[/quote]

Ok lets take off the dunce cap. Most oil experts put elasticity at around 10-20%. Now for extra credit tell me how much the supply/demand balance has to change to get a 45% drop. For extra extra credit tell me how much the balance has shifted over the past 6 months.

[Arraya]

[quote=rydazzle][quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.
[/quote]

Ok lets take off the dunce cap. Most oil experts put elasticity at around 10-20%. Now for extra credit tell me how much the supply/demand balance has to change to get a 45% drop. For extra extra credit tell me how much the balance has shifted over the past 6 months.

[Arraya]

[quote=rydazzle][quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.
[/quote]

Ok lets take off the dunce cap. Most oil experts put elasticity at around 10-20%. Now for extra credit tell me how much the supply/demand balance has to change to get a 45% drop. For extra extra credit tell me how much the balance has shifted over the past 6 months.

[Arraya]

[quote=rydazzle][quote=DWCAP]I just wanna say that 2 months does not a bubble pop make.[/quote]

You are right, 2 months doesnt a bubble pop make, but a 45% drop in price does.
[/quote]

Ok lets take off the dunce cap. Most oil experts put elasticity at around 10-20%. Now for extra credit tell me how much the supply/demand balance has to change to get a 45% drop. For extra extra credit tell me how much the balance has shifted over the past 6 months.

[Casca]

[quote=arraya]http://postcarbon.org/end_growth

The worldwide financial crisis, and the decline in available energy, mean that we may also have seen the final year of aggregate world economic growth.

This is a breathtaking statement. I found myself uttering it yesterday at a strategy meeting of some environmental and economic justice organizations organized by the International Forum on Globalization

Growth is dead. Let’s make the most of it. A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.
[/quote]

I’m sure that a lot of money was spent on your education. I’m not sure that you got value for it.

[Casca]

[quote=arraya]http://postcarbon.org/end_growth

The worldwide financial crisis, and the decline in available energy, mean that we may also have seen the final year of aggregate world economic growth.

This is a breathtaking statement. I found myself uttering it yesterday at a strategy meeting of some environmental and economic justice organizations organized by the International Forum on Globalization

Growth is dead. Let’s make the most of it. A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.
[/quote]

I’m sure that a lot of money was spent on your education. I’m not sure that you got value for it.

[Casca]

[quote=arraya]http://postcarbon.org/end_growth

The worldwide financial crisis, and the decline in available energy, mean that we may also have seen the final year of aggregate world economic growth.

This is a breathtaking statement. I found myself uttering it yesterday at a strategy meeting of some environmental and economic justice organizations organized by the International Forum on Globalization

Growth is dead. Let’s make the most of it. A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.
[/quote]

I’m sure that a lot of money was spent on your education. I’m not sure that you got value for it.

[Casca]

[quote=arraya]http://postcarbon.org/end_growth

The worldwide financial crisis, and the decline in available energy, mean that we may also have seen the final year of aggregate world economic growth.

This is a breathtaking statement. I found myself uttering it yesterday at a strategy meeting of some environmental and economic justice organizations organized by the International Forum on Globalization

Growth is dead. Let’s make the most of it. A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.
[/quote]

I’m sure that a lot of money was spent on your education. I’m not sure that you got value for it.

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