Naomi Wolf: The End of America

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Yeah, I might not have “called a spade a spade”, but I’ve been clear as to what I think, and believe.

[NotCranky]

Yeah, I would think Rustico would! He lives in the city. We choose where we live and in many ways it represents so much about us, whether we like it or not.

Hi Ricechex,
Actually I live in the hills north or Jamul as of 3 years ago. I lived in Normal Heights and Talmage most of my adult life. I don’t get out much, but when I do it is often to go back to Lestat’s which is where I met my wife BTW.

I watched your movie(naomi wolf) and had previously watched the zeitgeist movie which was posted on another thread. For me it ahs merit onthe basis of the topic it raises alone. So many important topics are raised in these movies. I don’t see how else the cards are going to get put on the table in front of an audience.

It is easy to see her bias too. I agree with Allan her examples of breaches of civil liberties against people like me you are pretty open to criticism. The incidences of forced breast milk drinking and tasering of loud mouthed hyper-active college students for example. Those items could be chalked up to the fact that in a country as populated with primates and as complex as ours is, stupid things are going to happen. People are going to make mistakes.

That said I am glad for her voice. Maybe it takes irresponsible hyperbole and other shenanigans to stir people up currently. Whatever the case I am ready to see a “movement” of some kind.

One thing I am sure of we do not have representative goevernment, even if it is true that we have what we deserve. On the other hand, maybe we do have representative government and I am just and minority type oddball.

Just in case, as a test, I think we should rip the arms off a few politicians from both sides as they reach out to take handouts from lobbyist or to shake the hands of board members who are welcoming them to their new highly salaried position in a corporation that the have been in cahoots with for years. After that, if nothing changes after these subtle reforms,I will believe democracy is working.

First priority though.. we must get drunkle elected president.

Taser incident.

[NotCranky]

Yeah, I would think Rustico would! He lives in the city. We choose where we live and in many ways it represents so much about us, whether we like it or not.

Hi Ricechex,
Actually I live in the hills north or Jamul as of 3 years ago. I lived in Normal Heights and Talmage most of my adult life. I don’t get out much, but when I do it is often to go back to Lestat’s which is where I met my wife BTW.

I watched your movie(naomi wolf) and had previously watched the zeitgeist movie which was posted on another thread. For me it ahs merit onthe basis of the topic it raises alone. So many important topics are raised in these movies. I don’t see how else the cards are going to get put on the table in front of an audience.

It is easy to see her bias too. I agree with Allan her examples of breaches of civil liberties against people like me you are pretty open to criticism. The incidences of forced breast milk drinking and tasering of loud mouthed hyper-active college students for example. Those items could be chalked up to the fact that in a country as populated with primates and as complex as ours is, stupid things are going to happen. People are going to make mistakes.

That said I am glad for her voice. Maybe it takes irresponsible hyperbole and other shenanigans to stir people up currently. Whatever the case I am ready to see a “movement” of some kind.

One thing I am sure of we do not have representative goevernment, even if it is true that we have what we deserve. On the other hand, maybe we do have representative government and I am just and minority type oddball.

Just in case, as a test, I think we should rip the arms off a few politicians from both sides as they reach out to take handouts from lobbyist or to shake the hands of board members who are welcoming them to their new highly salaried position in a corporation that the have been in cahoots with for years. After that, if nothing changes after these subtle reforms,I will believe democracy is working.

First priority though.. we must get drunkle elected president.

Taser incident.

[NotCranky]

Yeah, I would think Rustico would! He lives in the city. We choose where we live and in many ways it represents so much about us, whether we like it or not.

Hi Ricechex,
Actually I live in the hills north or Jamul as of 3 years ago. I lived in Normal Heights and Talmage most of my adult life. I don’t get out much, but when I do it is often to go back to Lestat’s which is where I met my wife BTW.

I watched your movie(naomi wolf) and had previously watched the zeitgeist movie which was posted on another thread. For me it ahs merit onthe basis of the topic it raises alone. So many important topics are raised in these movies. I don’t see how else the cards are going to get put on the table in front of an audience.

It is easy to see her bias too. I agree with Allan her examples of breaches of civil liberties against people like me you are pretty open to criticism. The incidences of forced breast milk drinking and tasering of loud mouthed hyper-active college students for example. Those items could be chalked up to the fact that in a country as populated with primates and as complex as ours is, stupid things are going to happen. People are going to make mistakes.

That said I am glad for her voice. Maybe it takes irresponsible hyperbole and other shenanigans to stir people up currently. Whatever the case I am ready to see a “movement” of some kind.

One thing I am sure of we do not have representative goevernment, even if it is true that we have what we deserve. On the other hand, maybe we do have representative government and I am just and minority type oddball.

Just in case, as a test, I think we should rip the arms off a few politicians from both sides as they reach out to take handouts from lobbyist or to shake the hands of board members who are welcoming them to their new highly salaried position in a corporation that the have been in cahoots with for years. After that, if nothing changes after these subtle reforms,I will believe democracy is working.

First priority though.. we must get drunkle elected president.

Taser incident.

[NotCranky]

Yeah, I would think Rustico would! He lives in the city. We choose where we live and in many ways it represents so much about us, whether we like it or not.

Hi Ricechex,
Actually I live in the hills north or Jamul as of 3 years ago. I lived in Normal Heights and Talmage most of my adult life. I don’t get out much, but when I do it is often to go back to Lestat’s which is where I met my wife BTW.

I watched your movie(naomi wolf) and had previously watched the zeitgeist movie which was posted on another thread. For me it ahs merit onthe basis of the topic it raises alone. So many important topics are raised in these movies. I don’t see how else the cards are going to get put on the table in front of an audience.

It is easy to see her bias too. I agree with Allan her examples of breaches of civil liberties against people like me you are pretty open to criticism. The incidences of forced breast milk drinking and tasering of loud mouthed hyper-active college students for example. Those items could be chalked up to the fact that in a country as populated with primates and as complex as ours is, stupid things are going to happen. People are going to make mistakes.

That said I am glad for her voice. Maybe it takes irresponsible hyperbole and other shenanigans to stir people up currently. Whatever the case I am ready to see a “movement” of some kind.

One thing I am sure of we do not have representative goevernment, even if it is true that we have what we deserve. On the other hand, maybe we do have representative government and I am just and minority type oddball.

Just in case, as a test, I think we should rip the arms off a few politicians from both sides as they reach out to take handouts from lobbyist or to shake the hands of board members who are welcoming them to their new highly salaried position in a corporation that the have been in cahoots with for years. After that, if nothing changes after these subtle reforms,I will believe democracy is working.

First priority though.. we must get drunkle elected president.

Taser incident.

[NotCranky]

Yeah, I would think Rustico would! He lives in the city. We choose where we live and in many ways it represents so much about us, whether we like it or not.

Hi Ricechex,
Actually I live in the hills north or Jamul as of 3 years ago. I lived in Normal Heights and Talmage most of my adult life. I don’t get out much, but when I do it is often to go back to Lestat’s which is where I met my wife BTW.

I watched your movie(naomi wolf) and had previously watched the zeitgeist movie which was posted on another thread. For me it ahs merit onthe basis of the topic it raises alone. So many important topics are raised in these movies. I don’t see how else the cards are going to get put on the table in front of an audience.

It is easy to see her bias too. I agree with Allan her examples of breaches of civil liberties against people like me you are pretty open to criticism. The incidences of forced breast milk drinking and tasering of loud mouthed hyper-active college students for example. Those items could be chalked up to the fact that in a country as populated with primates and as complex as ours is, stupid things are going to happen. People are going to make mistakes.

That said I am glad for her voice. Maybe it takes irresponsible hyperbole and other shenanigans to stir people up currently. Whatever the case I am ready to see a “movement” of some kind.

One thing I am sure of we do not have representative goevernment, even if it is true that we have what we deserve. On the other hand, maybe we do have representative government and I am just and minority type oddball.

Just in case, as a test, I think we should rip the arms off a few politicians from both sides as they reach out to take handouts from lobbyist or to shake the hands of board members who are welcoming them to their new highly salaried position in a corporation that the have been in cahoots with for years. After that, if nothing changes after these subtle reforms,I will believe democracy is working.

First priority though.. we must get drunkle elected president.

Taser incident.

[Dukehorn]

Personally I would like Allan to attempt to do the same type of analysis of Ann Coulter’s scholarship and perhaps we can compare notes. You do know why she’s given up putting footnotes in her recent books?

Calling Wolf’s work scholarship is a misnomer since (last I checked) she is not an academic bound by the strictures of “good scholarship”. She is a feminist writer pure and simple. In fact, a comparison of her work to Coulter’s is appropriate since they both (in essence) are hacks.

However, in reading their respective books, who’s the true “hate” monger and who is the person attempting to make our society a better place? I’d say Coulter for the former and Wolf for the latter (and you might disagree).

Allan, way back in undergrad, for my military propaganda class (one of my undergrad majors was military history), I did a paper on how the press and GIs perceived and treated Germans versus the Japanese (including POWs and trophies of war). Have an educated guess on what the general trend line was?

[Dukehorn]

Personally I would like Allan to attempt to do the same type of analysis of Ann Coulter’s scholarship and perhaps we can compare notes. You do know why she’s given up putting footnotes in her recent books?

Calling Wolf’s work scholarship is a misnomer since (last I checked) she is not an academic bound by the strictures of “good scholarship”. She is a feminist writer pure and simple. In fact, a comparison of her work to Coulter’s is appropriate since they both (in essence) are hacks.

However, in reading their respective books, who’s the true “hate” monger and who is the person attempting to make our society a better place? I’d say Coulter for the former and Wolf for the latter (and you might disagree).

Allan, way back in undergrad, for my military propaganda class (one of my undergrad majors was military history), I did a paper on how the press and GIs perceived and treated Germans versus the Japanese (including POWs and trophies of war). Have an educated guess on what the general trend line was?

[Dukehorn]

Personally I would like Allan to attempt to do the same type of analysis of Ann Coulter’s scholarship and perhaps we can compare notes. You do know why she’s given up putting footnotes in her recent books?

Calling Wolf’s work scholarship is a misnomer since (last I checked) she is not an academic bound by the strictures of “good scholarship”. She is a feminist writer pure and simple. In fact, a comparison of her work to Coulter’s is appropriate since they both (in essence) are hacks.

However, in reading their respective books, who’s the true “hate” monger and who is the person attempting to make our society a better place? I’d say Coulter for the former and Wolf for the latter (and you might disagree).

Allan, way back in undergrad, for my military propaganda class (one of my undergrad majors was military history), I did a paper on how the press and GIs perceived and treated Germans versus the Japanese (including POWs and trophies of war). Have an educated guess on what the general trend line was?

[Dukehorn]

Personally I would like Allan to attempt to do the same type of analysis of Ann Coulter’s scholarship and perhaps we can compare notes. You do know why she’s given up putting footnotes in her recent books?

Calling Wolf’s work scholarship is a misnomer since (last I checked) she is not an academic bound by the strictures of “good scholarship”. She is a feminist writer pure and simple. In fact, a comparison of her work to Coulter’s is appropriate since they both (in essence) are hacks.

However, in reading their respective books, who’s the true “hate” monger and who is the person attempting to make our society a better place? I’d say Coulter for the former and Wolf for the latter (and you might disagree).

Allan, way back in undergrad, for my military propaganda class (one of my undergrad majors was military history), I did a paper on how the press and GIs perceived and treated Germans versus the Japanese (including POWs and trophies of war). Have an educated guess on what the general trend line was?

[Dukehorn]

Personally I would like Allan to attempt to do the same type of analysis of Ann Coulter’s scholarship and perhaps we can compare notes. You do know why she’s given up putting footnotes in her recent books?

Calling Wolf’s work scholarship is a misnomer since (last I checked) she is not an academic bound by the strictures of “good scholarship”. She is a feminist writer pure and simple. In fact, a comparison of her work to Coulter’s is appropriate since they both (in essence) are hacks.

However, in reading their respective books, who’s the true “hate” monger and who is the person attempting to make our society a better place? I’d say Coulter for the former and Wolf for the latter (and you might disagree).

Allan, way back in undergrad, for my military propaganda class (one of my undergrad majors was military history), I did a paper on how the press and GIs perceived and treated Germans versus the Japanese (including POWs and trophies of war). Have an educated guess on what the general trend line was?

[drunkle]

rus:

thanks for your vote of confidence. would you mind helping my cause some more by donating to my campaign? just a small tax deductible amount of say 50 million would be greatly appreciated…

i do dread the day the reporters and dirt diggers come around to asking me about my drinking… “i may have sipped that shot of maker’s, but i swear i did not swallow!”

[drunkle]

rus:

thanks for your vote of confidence. would you mind helping my cause some more by donating to my campaign? just a small tax deductible amount of say 50 million would be greatly appreciated…

i do dread the day the reporters and dirt diggers come around to asking me about my drinking… “i may have sipped that shot of maker’s, but i swear i did not swallow!”

[drunkle]

rus:

thanks for your vote of confidence. would you mind helping my cause some more by donating to my campaign? just a small tax deductible amount of say 50 million would be greatly appreciated…

i do dread the day the reporters and dirt diggers come around to asking me about my drinking… “i may have sipped that shot of maker’s, but i swear i did not swallow!”

[drunkle]

rus:

thanks for your vote of confidence. would you mind helping my cause some more by donating to my campaign? just a small tax deductible amount of say 50 million would be greatly appreciated…

i do dread the day the reporters and dirt diggers come around to asking me about my drinking… “i may have sipped that shot of maker’s, but i swear i did not swallow!”

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