More Being Fed Up With The Mainstream Media,

[4plexowner]

I like musicals – ‘Fiddler on the Roof’ being a favorite

I’m reminded of the scene where a young man asks the rabbi,

“Rabbi, is there a blessing for the czar?”

“A blessing for the czar? Of course, my son.”

“May God bless the czar and keep him … far, far from us!”

ie, the less ‘help’ we get from the czar the better

[patientrenter]

SDR,

My blood pressure goes up a lot too when I see some of the schemes being pulled today. But we have to just realize that in a large complicated economy, those who collect more will be “raided” to supply those who do not. If we were cavemen, then there would be some of us who were unsuccessful hunters, and some who were successul, and some who ate all they caught every day, and some who saved some steaks for tomorrow. Every night the diligent and successful hunters who set aside a few extra woolly mammoth steaks for the next day would have visitors taking the extra meat, either through social pressure or straight out force, or by sneaky theft. Even generous hunters would find that others always took more than the successful and self-denying hunters wanted to give voluntarily.

Fast forward 10,000 years, and we have a system of passing money from taxpayers and savers to those who don’t pay taxes and/or don’t save. It sucks for people like you and me that both pay lots more in taxes than we get back, and save a lot more than we spend. But we don’t have a choice, so we may as well adapt. Have another glass of wine!

[patientrenter]

SDR,

My blood pressure goes up a lot too when I see some of the schemes being pulled today. But we have to just realize that in a large complicated economy, those who collect more will be “raided” to supply those who do not. If we were cavemen, then there would be some of us who were unsuccessful hunters, and some who were successul, and some who ate all they caught every day, and some who saved some steaks for tomorrow. Every night the diligent and successful hunters who set aside a few extra woolly mammoth steaks for the next day would have visitors taking the extra meat, either through social pressure or straight out force, or by sneaky theft. Even generous hunters would find that others always took more than the successful and self-denying hunters wanted to give voluntarily.

Fast forward 10,000 years, and we have a system of passing money from taxpayers and savers to those who don’t pay taxes and/or don’t save. It sucks for people like you and me that both pay lots more in taxes than we get back, and save a lot more than we spend. But we don’t have a choice, so we may as well adapt. Have another glass of wine!

[patientrenter]

SDR,

My blood pressure goes up a lot too when I see some of the schemes being pulled today. But we have to just realize that in a large complicated economy, those who collect more will be “raided” to supply those who do not. If we were cavemen, then there would be some of us who were unsuccessful hunters, and some who were successul, and some who ate all they caught every day, and some who saved some steaks for tomorrow. Every night the diligent and successful hunters who set aside a few extra woolly mammoth steaks for the next day would have visitors taking the extra meat, either through social pressure or straight out force, or by sneaky theft. Even generous hunters would find that others always took more than the successful and self-denying hunters wanted to give voluntarily.

Fast forward 10,000 years, and we have a system of passing money from taxpayers and savers to those who don’t pay taxes and/or don’t save. It sucks for people like you and me that both pay lots more in taxes than we get back, and save a lot more than we spend. But we don’t have a choice, so we may as well adapt. Have another glass of wine!

[patientrenter]

SDR,

My blood pressure goes up a lot too when I see some of the schemes being pulled today. But we have to just realize that in a large complicated economy, those who collect more will be “raided” to supply those who do not. If we were cavemen, then there would be some of us who were unsuccessful hunters, and some who were successul, and some who ate all they caught every day, and some who saved some steaks for tomorrow. Every night the diligent and successful hunters who set aside a few extra woolly mammoth steaks for the next day would have visitors taking the extra meat, either through social pressure or straight out force, or by sneaky theft. Even generous hunters would find that others always took more than the successful and self-denying hunters wanted to give voluntarily.

Fast forward 10,000 years, and we have a system of passing money from taxpayers and savers to those who don’t pay taxes and/or don’t save. It sucks for people like you and me that both pay lots more in taxes than we get back, and save a lot more than we spend. But we don’t have a choice, so we may as well adapt. Have another glass of wine!

[patientrenter]

SDR,

My blood pressure goes up a lot too when I see some of the schemes being pulled today. But we have to just realize that in a large complicated economy, those who collect more will be “raided” to supply those who do not. If we were cavemen, then there would be some of us who were unsuccessful hunters, and some who were successul, and some who ate all they caught every day, and some who saved some steaks for tomorrow. Every night the diligent and successful hunters who set aside a few extra woolly mammoth steaks for the next day would have visitors taking the extra meat, either through social pressure or straight out force, or by sneaky theft. Even generous hunters would find that others always took more than the successful and self-denying hunters wanted to give voluntarily.

Fast forward 10,000 years, and we have a system of passing money from taxpayers and savers to those who don’t pay taxes and/or don’t save. It sucks for people like you and me that both pay lots more in taxes than we get back, and save a lot more than we spend. But we don’t have a choice, so we may as well adapt. Have another glass of wine!

[SD Realtor]

I agree with both you guys of course. PR I am way past everything you mentioned. What is far scarier to me now is the playing field. I felt that in previous years, (or what now seems to be a previous life) the playing field was the population verses the government. It didnt matter if the govt was right wing or left wing. There was the media that acted “more or less” independently and they exhibited some shreds of inegrity. As much as Walter Cronkite was against the war in Vietnam, he at least portrayed some sense of integrity.

So what scares the hell out of me now is that it is gone. I mean gone with the wind. Also as I said, there is this very much, follow the leader regardless of what he says, who he associates with, or which czars he appoints, attitude that even many if not all members of my own family have.

I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. It is bizarre…. Look many of the more liberal minded posters here are smart guys. None of them have responded here. Even with the health care posts the most common argument I heard was we have to pass it now because this is the best chance we have to pass it.

What the heck? That is the best we can do?

*************

I guess I mislabled the topic of the post because it is not the mainstream media. I also find a common thread that younger people, 30 and below seem to have a much different outlook then those of us 45 and up. Public employees have a vast different outlook then small business owners and independent contractors. It is so different it is chilling. The sense of entitlement and that we deserve to be taken care of, that big business should be punished is very distinctive along various demographic lines. I think kids of the 60s and 70s have a different outlook because we were exposed to a variety of events that children of the 80s and 90s were not.

In the end history repeats itself and lessons are learned but the time it takes for corrections will be years and perhaps decades.

Fundamental mistrust of capitalism and big business is well deserved and those entities obviously reached into the cookie jar so much that they pushed the populace beyond the limits. Society including the press has decided for better or for worse that the mandate for a social agenda change must occur now. It is what it is… I can only hope that some mainstream media outlets will try to do a better job then two college students to report what is really happening out there.

[SD Realtor]

I agree with both you guys of course. PR I am way past everything you mentioned. What is far scarier to me now is the playing field. I felt that in previous years, (or what now seems to be a previous life) the playing field was the population verses the government. It didnt matter if the govt was right wing or left wing. There was the media that acted “more or less” independently and they exhibited some shreds of inegrity. As much as Walter Cronkite was against the war in Vietnam, he at least portrayed some sense of integrity.

So what scares the hell out of me now is that it is gone. I mean gone with the wind. Also as I said, there is this very much, follow the leader regardless of what he says, who he associates with, or which czars he appoints, attitude that even many if not all members of my own family have.

I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. It is bizarre…. Look many of the more liberal minded posters here are smart guys. None of them have responded here. Even with the health care posts the most common argument I heard was we have to pass it now because this is the best chance we have to pass it.

What the heck? That is the best we can do?

*************

I guess I mislabled the topic of the post because it is not the mainstream media. I also find a common thread that younger people, 30 and below seem to have a much different outlook then those of us 45 and up. Public employees have a vast different outlook then small business owners and independent contractors. It is so different it is chilling. The sense of entitlement and that we deserve to be taken care of, that big business should be punished is very distinctive along various demographic lines. I think kids of the 60s and 70s have a different outlook because we were exposed to a variety of events that children of the 80s and 90s were not.

In the end history repeats itself and lessons are learned but the time it takes for corrections will be years and perhaps decades.

Fundamental mistrust of capitalism and big business is well deserved and those entities obviously reached into the cookie jar so much that they pushed the populace beyond the limits. Society including the press has decided for better or for worse that the mandate for a social agenda change must occur now. It is what it is… I can only hope that some mainstream media outlets will try to do a better job then two college students to report what is really happening out there.

[SD Realtor]

I agree with both you guys of course. PR I am way past everything you mentioned. What is far scarier to me now is the playing field. I felt that in previous years, (or what now seems to be a previous life) the playing field was the population verses the government. It didnt matter if the govt was right wing or left wing. There was the media that acted “more or less” independently and they exhibited some shreds of inegrity. As much as Walter Cronkite was against the war in Vietnam, he at least portrayed some sense of integrity.

So what scares the hell out of me now is that it is gone. I mean gone with the wind. Also as I said, there is this very much, follow the leader regardless of what he says, who he associates with, or which czars he appoints, attitude that even many if not all members of my own family have.

I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. It is bizarre…. Look many of the more liberal minded posters here are smart guys. None of them have responded here. Even with the health care posts the most common argument I heard was we have to pass it now because this is the best chance we have to pass it.

What the heck? That is the best we can do?

*************

I guess I mislabled the topic of the post because it is not the mainstream media. I also find a common thread that younger people, 30 and below seem to have a much different outlook then those of us 45 and up. Public employees have a vast different outlook then small business owners and independent contractors. It is so different it is chilling. The sense of entitlement and that we deserve to be taken care of, that big business should be punished is very distinctive along various demographic lines. I think kids of the 60s and 70s have a different outlook because we were exposed to a variety of events that children of the 80s and 90s were not.

In the end history repeats itself and lessons are learned but the time it takes for corrections will be years and perhaps decades.

Fundamental mistrust of capitalism and big business is well deserved and those entities obviously reached into the cookie jar so much that they pushed the populace beyond the limits. Society including the press has decided for better or for worse that the mandate for a social agenda change must occur now. It is what it is… I can only hope that some mainstream media outlets will try to do a better job then two college students to report what is really happening out there.

[SD Realtor]

I agree with both you guys of course. PR I am way past everything you mentioned. What is far scarier to me now is the playing field. I felt that in previous years, (or what now seems to be a previous life) the playing field was the population verses the government. It didnt matter if the govt was right wing or left wing. There was the media that acted “more or less” independently and they exhibited some shreds of inegrity. As much as Walter Cronkite was against the war in Vietnam, he at least portrayed some sense of integrity.

So what scares the hell out of me now is that it is gone. I mean gone with the wind. Also as I said, there is this very much, follow the leader regardless of what he says, who he associates with, or which czars he appoints, attitude that even many if not all members of my own family have.

I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. It is bizarre…. Look many of the more liberal minded posters here are smart guys. None of them have responded here. Even with the health care posts the most common argument I heard was we have to pass it now because this is the best chance we have to pass it.

What the heck? That is the best we can do?

*************

I guess I mislabled the topic of the post because it is not the mainstream media. I also find a common thread that younger people, 30 and below seem to have a much different outlook then those of us 45 and up. Public employees have a vast different outlook then small business owners and independent contractors. It is so different it is chilling. The sense of entitlement and that we deserve to be taken care of, that big business should be punished is very distinctive along various demographic lines. I think kids of the 60s and 70s have a different outlook because we were exposed to a variety of events that children of the 80s and 90s were not.

In the end history repeats itself and lessons are learned but the time it takes for corrections will be years and perhaps decades.

Fundamental mistrust of capitalism and big business is well deserved and those entities obviously reached into the cookie jar so much that they pushed the populace beyond the limits. Society including the press has decided for better or for worse that the mandate for a social agenda change must occur now. It is what it is… I can only hope that some mainstream media outlets will try to do a better job then two college students to report what is really happening out there.

[SD Realtor]

I agree with both you guys of course. PR I am way past everything you mentioned. What is far scarier to me now is the playing field. I felt that in previous years, (or what now seems to be a previous life) the playing field was the population verses the government. It didnt matter if the govt was right wing or left wing. There was the media that acted “more or less” independently and they exhibited some shreds of inegrity. As much as Walter Cronkite was against the war in Vietnam, he at least portrayed some sense of integrity.

So what scares the hell out of me now is that it is gone. I mean gone with the wind. Also as I said, there is this very much, follow the leader regardless of what he says, who he associates with, or which czars he appoints, attitude that even many if not all members of my own family have.

I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. It is bizarre…. Look many of the more liberal minded posters here are smart guys. None of them have responded here. Even with the health care posts the most common argument I heard was we have to pass it now because this is the best chance we have to pass it.

What the heck? That is the best we can do?

*************

I guess I mislabled the topic of the post because it is not the mainstream media. I also find a common thread that younger people, 30 and below seem to have a much different outlook then those of us 45 and up. Public employees have a vast different outlook then small business owners and independent contractors. It is so different it is chilling. The sense of entitlement and that we deserve to be taken care of, that big business should be punished is very distinctive along various demographic lines. I think kids of the 60s and 70s have a different outlook because we were exposed to a variety of events that children of the 80s and 90s were not.

In the end history repeats itself and lessons are learned but the time it takes for corrections will be years and perhaps decades.

Fundamental mistrust of capitalism and big business is well deserved and those entities obviously reached into the cookie jar so much that they pushed the populace beyond the limits. Society including the press has decided for better or for worse that the mandate for a social agenda change must occur now. It is what it is… I can only hope that some mainstream media outlets will try to do a better job then two college students to report what is really happening out there.

[patientrenter]

[quote=SD Realtor]I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE….[/quote]

I come at this from a different perspective, SDR. I come from a different country, and didn’t know the politics here before I arrived. I am not under the impression that things have changed much over the years.

I would guess that your upbringing in one of the great American political tribes, as I like to call them, led you to believe that they were the Good Side, and the other tribe was the Dark Side. As a child, you just didn’t have the opportunity to see things as clearly as you see them now. In other words, SDR, it’s possible that your change in perspective is due to Observer enlightenment, not a change in the behavior of the Observed.

[patientrenter]

[quote=SD Realtor]I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE….[/quote]

I come at this from a different perspective, SDR. I come from a different country, and didn’t know the politics here before I arrived. I am not under the impression that things have changed much over the years.

I would guess that your upbringing in one of the great American political tribes, as I like to call them, led you to believe that they were the Good Side, and the other tribe was the Dark Side. As a child, you just didn’t have the opportunity to see things as clearly as you see them now. In other words, SDR, it’s possible that your change in perspective is due to Observer enlightenment, not a change in the behavior of the Observed.

[patientrenter]

[quote=SD Realtor]I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE….[/quote]

I come at this from a different perspective, SDR. I come from a different country, and didn’t know the politics here before I arrived. I am not under the impression that things have changed much over the years.

I would guess that your upbringing in one of the great American political tribes, as I like to call them, led you to believe that they were the Good Side, and the other tribe was the Dark Side. As a child, you just didn’t have the opportunity to see things as clearly as you see them now. In other words, SDR, it’s possible that your change in perspective is due to Observer enlightenment, not a change in the behavior of the Observed.

[patientrenter]

[quote=SD Realtor]I have NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE….[/quote]

I come at this from a different perspective, SDR. I come from a different country, and didn’t know the politics here before I arrived. I am not under the impression that things have changed much over the years.

I would guess that your upbringing in one of the great American political tribes, as I like to call them, led you to believe that they were the Good Side, and the other tribe was the Dark Side. As a child, you just didn’t have the opportunity to see things as clearly as you see them now. In other words, SDR, it’s possible that your change in perspective is due to Observer enlightenment, not a change in the behavior of the Observed.

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