McCain”s moral compass

[Eugene]

Even if it’s only $19k as you say it is, that’s ~8k more in taxes. Do you have $8k to spare? I’m sure there’s a reason why someone would work twice as hard as others. I can say for certain that it’s not to get rewarded with $8k in taxes.

The lower 95% of the tax payer should be outraged too then, since they’re not being rewarded with high taxes. Damn those rich people, always get reward.

Under Obama’s plan those 19k get hit by a 3% tax increase (from 33% to 36%). So the tax bill of your theoretical double-income mega-overtime nurse family goes up by $570.

That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)

[an]

[quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

[an]

[quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

[an]

[quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

[an]

[quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

[an]

[quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

[Eugene]

Since I don’t like either candidates and there plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

See the comment I just left in the other McCain vs Obama thread.
Basically, there’s no easy way to cut government spending to any significant extent (other than pulling out of Iraq, which McCain does not intend to do, and cutting Medicare/SS benefits, which would be suicidal to even propose during the election campaign). We had almost 6 full years with a Republican president and a Republican congress (2001-2006) and they didn’t figure out how to do that. McCain won’t, either.
So it is dishonest to claim that you can start with an estimated budget deficit of 15% of your budget, CUT TAXES, and then somehow balance the whole thing.

The example of two nurses busting their asses working 6 12-hour shifts a week seems to be very far-fetched to me. First of all, very few middle-class jobs allow you to make 120k even with overtime. Sooner or later kids will appear and you can live comfortably in San Diego with 120k income, stay-at-home mom, and some kids. At that moment your nursing family will fall out of 250k bracket.

250k income puts you in the top 5% earning households in San Diego. I think that’s rich.

[Eugene]

Since I don’t like either candidates and there plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

See the comment I just left in the other McCain vs Obama thread.
Basically, there’s no easy way to cut government spending to any significant extent (other than pulling out of Iraq, which McCain does not intend to do, and cutting Medicare/SS benefits, which would be suicidal to even propose during the election campaign). We had almost 6 full years with a Republican president and a Republican congress (2001-2006) and they didn’t figure out how to do that. McCain won’t, either.
So it is dishonest to claim that you can start with an estimated budget deficit of 15% of your budget, CUT TAXES, and then somehow balance the whole thing.

The example of two nurses busting their asses working 6 12-hour shifts a week seems to be very far-fetched to me. First of all, very few middle-class jobs allow you to make 120k even with overtime. Sooner or later kids will appear and you can live comfortably in San Diego with 120k income, stay-at-home mom, and some kids. At that moment your nursing family will fall out of 250k bracket.

250k income puts you in the top 5% earning households in San Diego. I think that’s rich.

[Eugene]

Since I don’t like either candidates and there plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

See the comment I just left in the other McCain vs Obama thread.
Basically, there’s no easy way to cut government spending to any significant extent (other than pulling out of Iraq, which McCain does not intend to do, and cutting Medicare/SS benefits, which would be suicidal to even propose during the election campaign). We had almost 6 full years with a Republican president and a Republican congress (2001-2006) and they didn’t figure out how to do that. McCain won’t, either.
So it is dishonest to claim that you can start with an estimated budget deficit of 15% of your budget, CUT TAXES, and then somehow balance the whole thing.

The example of two nurses busting their asses working 6 12-hour shifts a week seems to be very far-fetched to me. First of all, very few middle-class jobs allow you to make 120k even with overtime. Sooner or later kids will appear and you can live comfortably in San Diego with 120k income, stay-at-home mom, and some kids. At that moment your nursing family will fall out of 250k bracket.

250k income puts you in the top 5% earning households in San Diego. I think that’s rich.

[Eugene]

Since I don’t like either candidates and there plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

See the comment I just left in the other McCain vs Obama thread.
Basically, there’s no easy way to cut government spending to any significant extent (other than pulling out of Iraq, which McCain does not intend to do, and cutting Medicare/SS benefits, which would be suicidal to even propose during the election campaign). We had almost 6 full years with a Republican president and a Republican congress (2001-2006) and they didn’t figure out how to do that. McCain won’t, either.
So it is dishonest to claim that you can start with an estimated budget deficit of 15% of your budget, CUT TAXES, and then somehow balance the whole thing.

The example of two nurses busting their asses working 6 12-hour shifts a week seems to be very far-fetched to me. First of all, very few middle-class jobs allow you to make 120k even with overtime. Sooner or later kids will appear and you can live comfortably in San Diego with 120k income, stay-at-home mom, and some kids. At that moment your nursing family will fall out of 250k bracket.

250k income puts you in the top 5% earning households in San Diego. I think that’s rich.

[Eugene]

Since I don’t like either candidates and there plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?

See the comment I just left in the other McCain vs Obama thread.
Basically, there’s no easy way to cut government spending to any significant extent (other than pulling out of Iraq, which McCain does not intend to do, and cutting Medicare/SS benefits, which would be suicidal to even propose during the election campaign). We had almost 6 full years with a Republican president and a Republican congress (2001-2006) and they didn’t figure out how to do that. McCain won’t, either.
So it is dishonest to claim that you can start with an estimated budget deficit of 15% of your budget, CUT TAXES, and then somehow balance the whole thing.

The example of two nurses busting their asses working 6 12-hour shifts a week seems to be very far-fetched to me. First of all, very few middle-class jobs allow you to make 120k even with overtime. Sooner or later kids will appear and you can live comfortably in San Diego with 120k income, stay-at-home mom, and some kids. At that moment your nursing family will fall out of 250k bracket.

250k income puts you in the top 5% earning households in San Diego. I think that’s rich.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=asianautica][quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?[/quote]

Aren’t they still being rewarded? They’re making within about 10-15% of 2x what they’d be making if they were working half the hours. Their spendable (after tax) income is (at a rough guesstimate) a bit over 6K/mo more than if they were working 40hrs/each and making 125K/mo combined. I’d consider that a pretty good chunk of cash.

My apologies if I fail to cry for someone who is taking full advantage of our economic system, and therefore may be asked to foot a bit more of the bill therefrom than someone who is not benefitting as much from the economic system.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=asianautica][quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?[/quote]

Aren’t they still being rewarded? They’re making within about 10-15% of 2x what they’d be making if they were working half the hours. Their spendable (after tax) income is (at a rough guesstimate) a bit over 6K/mo more than if they were working 40hrs/each and making 125K/mo combined. I’d consider that a pretty good chunk of cash.

My apologies if I fail to cry for someone who is taking full advantage of our economic system, and therefore may be asked to foot a bit more of the bill therefrom than someone who is not benefitting as much from the economic system.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=asianautica][quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?[/quote]

Aren’t they still being rewarded? They’re making within about 10-15% of 2x what they’d be making if they were working half the hours. Their spendable (after tax) income is (at a rough guesstimate) a bit over 6K/mo more than if they were working 40hrs/each and making 125K/mo combined. I’d consider that a pretty good chunk of cash.

My apologies if I fail to cry for someone who is taking full advantage of our economic system, and therefore may be asked to foot a bit more of the bill therefrom than someone who is not benefitting as much from the economic system.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=asianautica][quote=esmith]
That’s not even the problem. The problem is that Obama appears to be more or less honest (“i’ll try to be fiscally responsible but i’ll have to raise taxes on the rich a little bit”) McCain, like Bush, is simply a populist (“i’ll lower taxes for everyone! vote for me! in the mean time i’ll continue running record high budget deficits so your dollars will be worth less and less“)
[/quote]
Since I don’t like either candidates and their plan, I’ll just stay out of the debate of who’s better. But my perfect candidate would say “I’ll lower everyone’s taxes and I’ll do A, B, C, D, etc to cut government spending so that we can have low taxes and reduce our deficit at the same time.”

The only reason I brought up the nursing family example is to show how 2 middle class jobs can get to $250k and therefore, $250k is not rich. They’re well off, yes, but not rich. Isn’t this the whole point with rewarding work vs wealth?[/quote]

Aren’t they still being rewarded? They’re making within about 10-15% of 2x what they’d be making if they were working half the hours. Their spendable (after tax) income is (at a rough guesstimate) a bit over 6K/mo more than if they were working 40hrs/each and making 125K/mo combined. I’d consider that a pretty good chunk of cash.

My apologies if I fail to cry for someone who is taking full advantage of our economic system, and therefore may be asked to foot a bit more of the bill therefrom than someone who is not benefitting as much from the economic system.

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