McBama: The Long-Awaited Unveiling of The Official Establishment Tool

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[quote=marion]I don’t believe our friend partypup is really black. I never did. I don’t think he went to Harvard with Obama, I don’t think he’s the CEO of a big, prestigious company. He seems like a fake to me. A big fake, playing both ends against the middle.[/quote]

What the hell difference does it make if he is black, white or freaking purple???

If some one dares challenge Obama they can not possibly be black? Are you serious?

Tell me Marion, is voting for someone because he is black any better than not voting for him for the same reason??

Who is the racist here?

[Anonymous]

If you think you’re seeing the real Obama now, remember that he’s probably doing what it takes to get elected more than he is reneging on his promises. Expect another change to occur once he gets into office. The polls say he leads, but not by a large enough margin that he shouldn’t bother fighting.

These issues you list are the ones that he probably would get some real fight on from McCain. Note how many of them aren’t real votes, but just expressing openness to a different point of view. And some of them feel like you have to read between the lines. For example…he stands behind the Supreme Court ruling…you hear, “I support crazy gun-totin’ freaks!” but I hear “and maybe a few other decisions should be upheld, like habeas corpus.” You must learn to think of this in terms of how the other side will be forced into a corner, particularly on issues they’ve abused.

[Anonymous]

If you think you’re seeing the real Obama now, remember that he’s probably doing what it takes to get elected more than he is reneging on his promises. Expect another change to occur once he gets into office. The polls say he leads, but not by a large enough margin that he shouldn’t bother fighting.

These issues you list are the ones that he probably would get some real fight on from McCain. Note how many of them aren’t real votes, but just expressing openness to a different point of view. And some of them feel like you have to read between the lines. For example…he stands behind the Supreme Court ruling…you hear, “I support crazy gun-totin’ freaks!” but I hear “and maybe a few other decisions should be upheld, like habeas corpus.” You must learn to think of this in terms of how the other side will be forced into a corner, particularly on issues they’ve abused.

[Anonymous]

If you think you’re seeing the real Obama now, remember that he’s probably doing what it takes to get elected more than he is reneging on his promises. Expect another change to occur once he gets into office. The polls say he leads, but not by a large enough margin that he shouldn’t bother fighting.

These issues you list are the ones that he probably would get some real fight on from McCain. Note how many of them aren’t real votes, but just expressing openness to a different point of view. And some of them feel like you have to read between the lines. For example…he stands behind the Supreme Court ruling…you hear, “I support crazy gun-totin’ freaks!” but I hear “and maybe a few other decisions should be upheld, like habeas corpus.” You must learn to think of this in terms of how the other side will be forced into a corner, particularly on issues they’ve abused.

[Anonymous]

If you think you’re seeing the real Obama now, remember that he’s probably doing what it takes to get elected more than he is reneging on his promises. Expect another change to occur once he gets into office. The polls say he leads, but not by a large enough margin that he shouldn’t bother fighting.

These issues you list are the ones that he probably would get some real fight on from McCain. Note how many of them aren’t real votes, but just expressing openness to a different point of view. And some of them feel like you have to read between the lines. For example…he stands behind the Supreme Court ruling…you hear, “I support crazy gun-totin’ freaks!” but I hear “and maybe a few other decisions should be upheld, like habeas corpus.” You must learn to think of this in terms of how the other side will be forced into a corner, particularly on issues they’ve abused.

[Anonymous]

If you think you’re seeing the real Obama now, remember that he’s probably doing what it takes to get elected more than he is reneging on his promises. Expect another change to occur once he gets into office. The polls say he leads, but not by a large enough margin that he shouldn’t bother fighting.

These issues you list are the ones that he probably would get some real fight on from McCain. Note how many of them aren’t real votes, but just expressing openness to a different point of view. And some of them feel like you have to read between the lines. For example…he stands behind the Supreme Court ruling…you hear, “I support crazy gun-totin’ freaks!” but I hear “and maybe a few other decisions should be upheld, like habeas corpus.” You must learn to think of this in terms of how the other side will be forced into a corner, particularly on issues they’ve abused.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

I’m not really an Obama supporter. I like most of these changes. These seem like rational, real-world, pragmatic positions, rather than the rhetorical idealistic positions held previously.

One example: Iraq – Do you want him to say that regardless of the conditions on the ground he should order an immediate withdrawal, based on the fact that 10-12 months ago he thought that was the proper course of action. Just to save face ? To me, adapting to what has changed in Iraq and the willingness to reconsider his position is a HUGE improvement over GWB, who usually takes a position and never lets go, regardless.

These changes demonstrate adaptibility and maturity. He’s starting to me to look more electable and presidential, rather than an idealogue.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

I’m not really an Obama supporter. I like most of these changes. These seem like rational, real-world, pragmatic positions, rather than the rhetorical idealistic positions held previously.

One example: Iraq – Do you want him to say that regardless of the conditions on the ground he should order an immediate withdrawal, based on the fact that 10-12 months ago he thought that was the proper course of action. Just to save face ? To me, adapting to what has changed in Iraq and the willingness to reconsider his position is a HUGE improvement over GWB, who usually takes a position and never lets go, regardless.

These changes demonstrate adaptibility and maturity. He’s starting to me to look more electable and presidential, rather than an idealogue.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

I’m not really an Obama supporter. I like most of these changes. These seem like rational, real-world, pragmatic positions, rather than the rhetorical idealistic positions held previously.

One example: Iraq – Do you want him to say that regardless of the conditions on the ground he should order an immediate withdrawal, based on the fact that 10-12 months ago he thought that was the proper course of action. Just to save face ? To me, adapting to what has changed in Iraq and the willingness to reconsider his position is a HUGE improvement over GWB, who usually takes a position and never lets go, regardless.

These changes demonstrate adaptibility and maturity. He’s starting to me to look more electable and presidential, rather than an idealogue.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

I’m not really an Obama supporter. I like most of these changes. These seem like rational, real-world, pragmatic positions, rather than the rhetorical idealistic positions held previously.

One example: Iraq – Do you want him to say that regardless of the conditions on the ground he should order an immediate withdrawal, based on the fact that 10-12 months ago he thought that was the proper course of action. Just to save face ? To me, adapting to what has changed in Iraq and the willingness to reconsider his position is a HUGE improvement over GWB, who usually takes a position and never lets go, regardless.

These changes demonstrate adaptibility and maturity. He’s starting to me to look more electable and presidential, rather than an idealogue.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

I’m not really an Obama supporter. I like most of these changes. These seem like rational, real-world, pragmatic positions, rather than the rhetorical idealistic positions held previously.

One example: Iraq – Do you want him to say that regardless of the conditions on the ground he should order an immediate withdrawal, based on the fact that 10-12 months ago he thought that was the proper course of action. Just to save face ? To me, adapting to what has changed in Iraq and the willingness to reconsider his position is a HUGE improvement over GWB, who usually takes a position and never lets go, regardless.

These changes demonstrate adaptibility and maturity. He’s starting to me to look more electable and presidential, rather than an idealogue.

[partypup]

Marion, I don’t know what proof you would require of my race or my education (and for the record, I never said I was a CEO; I am a senior vice president), nor do I feel compelled to provide any. I wouldn’t say the company that I work for is all that “prestigious”, unless you love watching television.

you obviously and mistakenly think that all African American people are monolithic in their thought processes. If you take Obama to task, you can’t possible be black. What kind of juvenile thinking is that? 2/3 of my extended family supports Obama, but 1/3 does not. And incidentally, the ones who support Obama also happen to be some of the dimmest bulbs in the bunch who also blindly proclaimed OJ’s innocence in the face of common sense and evidence.

All blacks must support Obama? How ironic coming from a woman who seethes when other make assumptions about the color of an African American’s skin. Just as you and I recognize that being African American doesn’t mean necessarily having dark skin, you should also recognize that being African American doesn’t mean that one should blindly follow Obama off a cliff and refuse to hold him accountable for his lack of core values and alarming propensity to change his positions.

And for the record, it’s offensive for you to challenge my race or education when you have no proof whatsoever to the contrary. I spent more than 17 HOURS along with 84 other editors of Harvard Law Review in a marathon election process in 1990 trying to get Obama elected as the first African American president of that publication.

I am a “fake” playing both ends against the middle? Please, I am only playing one end: I’m looking for truth whereas you and so many others seemed resigned to look the other way.

And here’s another blow to your long list of presumptions: I am a woman.

Lastly, it is curious that you have no response to the actual assertions in my post. No problem with his pre-fascist FISA vote? No problem with his Bush-esque blurring of church and state? No problem with threats against Pakistan.

What will it take for you to wake up and realize that Obama is simply the “velvet glove” that the Establishment is using to accomplish what they would have trouble accomplishing under McCain? And it’s working. Because people like yourself are OVERLOOKING troublesome signs that you would readily identify in any other candidate, simply because he is Obama.

I swear, Marion. You would probably vote for George Bush — if he were black, charming and in his mid-40s.

[partypup]

Marion, I don’t know what proof you would require of my race or my education (and for the record, I never said I was a CEO; I am a senior vice president), nor do I feel compelled to provide any. I wouldn’t say the company that I work for is all that “prestigious”, unless you love watching television.

you obviously and mistakenly think that all African American people are monolithic in their thought processes. If you take Obama to task, you can’t possible be black. What kind of juvenile thinking is that? 2/3 of my extended family supports Obama, but 1/3 does not. And incidentally, the ones who support Obama also happen to be some of the dimmest bulbs in the bunch who also blindly proclaimed OJ’s innocence in the face of common sense and evidence.

All blacks must support Obama? How ironic coming from a woman who seethes when other make assumptions about the color of an African American’s skin. Just as you and I recognize that being African American doesn’t mean necessarily having dark skin, you should also recognize that being African American doesn’t mean that one should blindly follow Obama off a cliff and refuse to hold him accountable for his lack of core values and alarming propensity to change his positions.

And for the record, it’s offensive for you to challenge my race or education when you have no proof whatsoever to the contrary. I spent more than 17 HOURS along with 84 other editors of Harvard Law Review in a marathon election process in 1990 trying to get Obama elected as the first African American president of that publication.

I am a “fake” playing both ends against the middle? Please, I am only playing one end: I’m looking for truth whereas you and so many others seemed resigned to look the other way.

And here’s another blow to your long list of presumptions: I am a woman.

Lastly, it is curious that you have no response to the actual assertions in my post. No problem with his pre-fascist FISA vote? No problem with his Bush-esque blurring of church and state? No problem with threats against Pakistan.

What will it take for you to wake up and realize that Obama is simply the “velvet glove” that the Establishment is using to accomplish what they would have trouble accomplishing under McCain? And it’s working. Because people like yourself are OVERLOOKING troublesome signs that you would readily identify in any other candidate, simply because he is Obama.

I swear, Marion. You would probably vote for George Bush — if he were black, charming and in his mid-40s.

[partypup]

Marion, I don’t know what proof you would require of my race or my education (and for the record, I never said I was a CEO; I am a senior vice president), nor do I feel compelled to provide any. I wouldn’t say the company that I work for is all that “prestigious”, unless you love watching television.

you obviously and mistakenly think that all African American people are monolithic in their thought processes. If you take Obama to task, you can’t possible be black. What kind of juvenile thinking is that? 2/3 of my extended family supports Obama, but 1/3 does not. And incidentally, the ones who support Obama also happen to be some of the dimmest bulbs in the bunch who also blindly proclaimed OJ’s innocence in the face of common sense and evidence.

All blacks must support Obama? How ironic coming from a woman who seethes when other make assumptions about the color of an African American’s skin. Just as you and I recognize that being African American doesn’t mean necessarily having dark skin, you should also recognize that being African American doesn’t mean that one should blindly follow Obama off a cliff and refuse to hold him accountable for his lack of core values and alarming propensity to change his positions.

And for the record, it’s offensive for you to challenge my race or education when you have no proof whatsoever to the contrary. I spent more than 17 HOURS along with 84 other editors of Harvard Law Review in a marathon election process in 1990 trying to get Obama elected as the first African American president of that publication.

I am a “fake” playing both ends against the middle? Please, I am only playing one end: I’m looking for truth whereas you and so many others seemed resigned to look the other way.

And here’s another blow to your long list of presumptions: I am a woman.

Lastly, it is curious that you have no response to the actual assertions in my post. No problem with his pre-fascist FISA vote? No problem with his Bush-esque blurring of church and state? No problem with threats against Pakistan.

What will it take for you to wake up and realize that Obama is simply the “velvet glove” that the Establishment is using to accomplish what they would have trouble accomplishing under McCain? And it’s working. Because people like yourself are OVERLOOKING troublesome signs that you would readily identify in any other candidate, simply because he is Obama.

I swear, Marion. You would probably vote for George Bush — if he were black, charming and in his mid-40s.

[partypup]

Marion, I don’t know what proof you would require of my race or my education (and for the record, I never said I was a CEO; I am a senior vice president), nor do I feel compelled to provide any. I wouldn’t say the company that I work for is all that “prestigious”, unless you love watching television.

you obviously and mistakenly think that all African American people are monolithic in their thought processes. If you take Obama to task, you can’t possible be black. What kind of juvenile thinking is that? 2/3 of my extended family supports Obama, but 1/3 does not. And incidentally, the ones who support Obama also happen to be some of the dimmest bulbs in the bunch who also blindly proclaimed OJ’s innocence in the face of common sense and evidence.

All blacks must support Obama? How ironic coming from a woman who seethes when other make assumptions about the color of an African American’s skin. Just as you and I recognize that being African American doesn’t mean necessarily having dark skin, you should also recognize that being African American doesn’t mean that one should blindly follow Obama off a cliff and refuse to hold him accountable for his lack of core values and alarming propensity to change his positions.

And for the record, it’s offensive for you to challenge my race or education when you have no proof whatsoever to the contrary. I spent more than 17 HOURS along with 84 other editors of Harvard Law Review in a marathon election process in 1990 trying to get Obama elected as the first African American president of that publication.

I am a “fake” playing both ends against the middle? Please, I am only playing one end: I’m looking for truth whereas you and so many others seemed resigned to look the other way.

And here’s another blow to your long list of presumptions: I am a woman.

Lastly, it is curious that you have no response to the actual assertions in my post. No problem with his pre-fascist FISA vote? No problem with his Bush-esque blurring of church and state? No problem with threats against Pakistan.

What will it take for you to wake up and realize that Obama is simply the “velvet glove” that the Establishment is using to accomplish what they would have trouble accomplishing under McCain? And it’s working. Because people like yourself are OVERLOOKING troublesome signs that you would readily identify in any other candidate, simply because he is Obama.

I swear, Marion. You would probably vote for George Bush — if he were black, charming and in his mid-40s.

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