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January 16, 2008 at 8:24 AM #137009January 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM #136730HereWeGoParticipant
EEV is up another 7% or so, but I’d be careful there. Let the Fed do it’s thing, wait a bit, then jump at EEV. If you had the foresight to buy at COB Mon, though, congrats.
January 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM #136927HereWeGoParticipantEEV is up another 7% or so, but I’d be careful there. Let the Fed do it’s thing, wait a bit, then jump at EEV. If you had the foresight to buy at COB Mon, though, congrats.
January 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM #136962HereWeGoParticipantEEV is up another 7% or so, but I’d be careful there. Let the Fed do it’s thing, wait a bit, then jump at EEV. If you had the foresight to buy at COB Mon, though, congrats.
January 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM #136990HereWeGoParticipantEEV is up another 7% or so, but I’d be careful there. Let the Fed do it’s thing, wait a bit, then jump at EEV. If you had the foresight to buy at COB Mon, though, congrats.
January 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM #137031HereWeGoParticipantEEV is up another 7% or so, but I’d be careful there. Let the Fed do it’s thing, wait a bit, then jump at EEV. If you had the foresight to buy at COB Mon, though, congrats.
January 16, 2008 at 3:08 PM #136766crParticipantThe FED may be a little reticent on lowering rates now:
< a href='http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/topnews;_ylt=AoZ1blFSESNtp63V6Ija0iK7YWsA/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080116/economy.html'>Inflation Rate is Worst in 17 Years- AP
“Higher costs for energy and food last year pushed inflation up by the largest amount in 17 years, even though prices generally remained tame outside of those two areas. Meanwhile, industrial output was flat in December, more evidence of a significant slowdown in the economy.”
The FED can pretend core inflation is all the matters, but that doesn’t mean the dollar won’t become worthless, or that it’s not their job to protect it.
Makes me wonder if once they realize we’re in a recession, unemployment above 5%, the dollar at it’s weakest in decades, and inflation the highest in decades, if the FED might actually do what’s right and raise rates…
January 16, 2008 at 3:08 PM #136964crParticipantThe FED may be a little reticent on lowering rates now:
< a href='http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/topnews;_ylt=AoZ1blFSESNtp63V6Ija0iK7YWsA/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080116/economy.html'>Inflation Rate is Worst in 17 Years- AP
“Higher costs for energy and food last year pushed inflation up by the largest amount in 17 years, even though prices generally remained tame outside of those two areas. Meanwhile, industrial output was flat in December, more evidence of a significant slowdown in the economy.”
The FED can pretend core inflation is all the matters, but that doesn’t mean the dollar won’t become worthless, or that it’s not their job to protect it.
Makes me wonder if once they realize we’re in a recession, unemployment above 5%, the dollar at it’s weakest in decades, and inflation the highest in decades, if the FED might actually do what’s right and raise rates…
January 16, 2008 at 3:08 PM #136997crParticipantThe FED may be a little reticent on lowering rates now:
< a href='http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/topnews;_ylt=AoZ1blFSESNtp63V6Ija0iK7YWsA/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080116/economy.html'>Inflation Rate is Worst in 17 Years- AP
“Higher costs for energy and food last year pushed inflation up by the largest amount in 17 years, even though prices generally remained tame outside of those two areas. Meanwhile, industrial output was flat in December, more evidence of a significant slowdown in the economy.”
The FED can pretend core inflation is all the matters, but that doesn’t mean the dollar won’t become worthless, or that it’s not their job to protect it.
Makes me wonder if once they realize we’re in a recession, unemployment above 5%, the dollar at it’s weakest in decades, and inflation the highest in decades, if the FED might actually do what’s right and raise rates…
January 16, 2008 at 3:08 PM #137026crParticipantThe FED may be a little reticent on lowering rates now:
< a href='http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/topnews;_ylt=AoZ1blFSESNtp63V6Ija0iK7YWsA/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080116/economy.html'>Inflation Rate is Worst in 17 Years- AP
“Higher costs for energy and food last year pushed inflation up by the largest amount in 17 years, even though prices generally remained tame outside of those two areas. Meanwhile, industrial output was flat in December, more evidence of a significant slowdown in the economy.”
The FED can pretend core inflation is all the matters, but that doesn’t mean the dollar won’t become worthless, or that it’s not their job to protect it.
Makes me wonder if once they realize we’re in a recession, unemployment above 5%, the dollar at it’s weakest in decades, and inflation the highest in decades, if the FED might actually do what’s right and raise rates…
January 16, 2008 at 3:08 PM #137065crParticipantThe FED may be a little reticent on lowering rates now:
< a href='http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/topnews;_ylt=AoZ1blFSESNtp63V6Ija0iK7YWsA/*http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080116/economy.html'>Inflation Rate is Worst in 17 Years- AP
“Higher costs for energy and food last year pushed inflation up by the largest amount in 17 years, even though prices generally remained tame outside of those two areas. Meanwhile, industrial output was flat in December, more evidence of a significant slowdown in the economy.”
The FED can pretend core inflation is all the matters, but that doesn’t mean the dollar won’t become worthless, or that it’s not their job to protect it.
Makes me wonder if once they realize we’re in a recession, unemployment above 5%, the dollar at it’s weakest in decades, and inflation the highest in decades, if the FED might actually do what’s right and raise rates…
January 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM #136894stockstradrParticipantWell, I tossed in the towel, deciding I don’t know where markets are headed during the next few weeks ahead of the expected rate drop.
So sold the long position I picked up yesterday in the ETF “SSO”
I have dumped my gold yesterday and today, seeing this pullback continuing in gold
I’m now entirely in cash, except for that short position against the oil sector I’m holding with the ETF “DUG.” That strategy is now moving very fast in my favor with the oil price having come down off the $100 mark, and inventories are rising. Several weeks ago, I was down -16% on that bet, but that negative has now turned slightly positive.
So the only SHORT-TERM bet I’m confident on is shorting oil. Demand is already dropping as this recession rolls in like a dark cloud. Yet I emphasize that long-term I see oil headed UP.
I’m in a wait-and-see holding pattern regards the indices, because my instincts are for a short-term rise ~5% ahead of the fed funds rate cut, but I’m only guessing not willing (anymore) to bet my money on it. However, as soon as I see these indexes pop up ~5% then I’ll buy short positions again on the indexes. I’m expecting that this deep recession will take the markets down eventually this year to declines another 20% lower than present values!
Summary for 2008: I made money on gold, shorting the S&P 500, puts on the NASDAQ. I’m now flat on the bet against oil. Since late Dec 2007 to now, net I’m up 20% over my portfolio. I can’t complain about that.
January 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM #137096stockstradrParticipantWell, I tossed in the towel, deciding I don’t know where markets are headed during the next few weeks ahead of the expected rate drop.
So sold the long position I picked up yesterday in the ETF “SSO”
I have dumped my gold yesterday and today, seeing this pullback continuing in gold
I’m now entirely in cash, except for that short position against the oil sector I’m holding with the ETF “DUG.” That strategy is now moving very fast in my favor with the oil price having come down off the $100 mark, and inventories are rising. Several weeks ago, I was down -16% on that bet, but that negative has now turned slightly positive.
So the only SHORT-TERM bet I’m confident on is shorting oil. Demand is already dropping as this recession rolls in like a dark cloud. Yet I emphasize that long-term I see oil headed UP.
I’m in a wait-and-see holding pattern regards the indices, because my instincts are for a short-term rise ~5% ahead of the fed funds rate cut, but I’m only guessing not willing (anymore) to bet my money on it. However, as soon as I see these indexes pop up ~5% then I’ll buy short positions again on the indexes. I’m expecting that this deep recession will take the markets down eventually this year to declines another 20% lower than present values!
Summary for 2008: I made money on gold, shorting the S&P 500, puts on the NASDAQ. I’m now flat on the bet against oil. Since late Dec 2007 to now, net I’m up 20% over my portfolio. I can’t complain about that.
January 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM #137127stockstradrParticipantWell, I tossed in the towel, deciding I don’t know where markets are headed during the next few weeks ahead of the expected rate drop.
So sold the long position I picked up yesterday in the ETF “SSO”
I have dumped my gold yesterday and today, seeing this pullback continuing in gold
I’m now entirely in cash, except for that short position against the oil sector I’m holding with the ETF “DUG.” That strategy is now moving very fast in my favor with the oil price having come down off the $100 mark, and inventories are rising. Several weeks ago, I was down -16% on that bet, but that negative has now turned slightly positive.
So the only SHORT-TERM bet I’m confident on is shorting oil. Demand is already dropping as this recession rolls in like a dark cloud. Yet I emphasize that long-term I see oil headed UP.
I’m in a wait-and-see holding pattern regards the indices, because my instincts are for a short-term rise ~5% ahead of the fed funds rate cut, but I’m only guessing not willing (anymore) to bet my money on it. However, as soon as I see these indexes pop up ~5% then I’ll buy short positions again on the indexes. I’m expecting that this deep recession will take the markets down eventually this year to declines another 20% lower than present values!
Summary for 2008: I made money on gold, shorting the S&P 500, puts on the NASDAQ. I’m now flat on the bet against oil. Since late Dec 2007 to now, net I’m up 20% over my portfolio. I can’t complain about that.
January 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM #137154stockstradrParticipantWell, I tossed in the towel, deciding I don’t know where markets are headed during the next few weeks ahead of the expected rate drop.
So sold the long position I picked up yesterday in the ETF “SSO”
I have dumped my gold yesterday and today, seeing this pullback continuing in gold
I’m now entirely in cash, except for that short position against the oil sector I’m holding with the ETF “DUG.” That strategy is now moving very fast in my favor with the oil price having come down off the $100 mark, and inventories are rising. Several weeks ago, I was down -16% on that bet, but that negative has now turned slightly positive.
So the only SHORT-TERM bet I’m confident on is shorting oil. Demand is already dropping as this recession rolls in like a dark cloud. Yet I emphasize that long-term I see oil headed UP.
I’m in a wait-and-see holding pattern regards the indices, because my instincts are for a short-term rise ~5% ahead of the fed funds rate cut, but I’m only guessing not willing (anymore) to bet my money on it. However, as soon as I see these indexes pop up ~5% then I’ll buy short positions again on the indexes. I’m expecting that this deep recession will take the markets down eventually this year to declines another 20% lower than present values!
Summary for 2008: I made money on gold, shorting the S&P 500, puts on the NASDAQ. I’m now flat on the bet against oil. Since late Dec 2007 to now, net I’m up 20% over my portfolio. I can’t complain about that.
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