Leaving SD for Orlando

[outtamojo]

[quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

Agree 100% Bob, life is what you make it and I don’t think much of those who whine constantly and don’t do anything about it when Paradise is just a U-Haul away : )

[CA renter]

[quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.

[CA renter]

[quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.

[CA renter]

[quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.

[CA renter]

[quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.

[CA renter]

[quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.

[sdrealtor]

CAR
I disagree. Scaredy was specifically referencing how you stand among your peers not society. FWIW, i would and have always found a way to be happy no matter how lean times are. I spent months and years living off of a bag of soft pretzels for lunch and spaghetti for dinner. I spent plenty of years struggling mightily just to get by. I gave up a career, moved cross country and lived off minimum wage jobs when I could get them in the early 90’s in order to care for an elderly parent. I never felt anything but blessed.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

CAR
I disagree. Scaredy was specifically referencing how you stand among your peers not society. FWIW, i would and have always found a way to be happy no matter how lean times are. I spent months and years living off of a bag of soft pretzels for lunch and spaghetti for dinner. I spent plenty of years struggling mightily just to get by. I gave up a career, moved cross country and lived off minimum wage jobs when I could get them in the early 90’s in order to care for an elderly parent. I never felt anything but blessed.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

CAR
I disagree. Scaredy was specifically referencing how you stand among your peers not society. FWIW, i would and have always found a way to be happy no matter how lean times are. I spent months and years living off of a bag of soft pretzels for lunch and spaghetti for dinner. I spent plenty of years struggling mightily just to get by. I gave up a career, moved cross country and lived off minimum wage jobs when I could get them in the early 90’s in order to care for an elderly parent. I never felt anything but blessed.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

CAR
I disagree. Scaredy was specifically referencing how you stand among your peers not society. FWIW, i would and have always found a way to be happy no matter how lean times are. I spent months and years living off of a bag of soft pretzels for lunch and spaghetti for dinner. I spent plenty of years struggling mightily just to get by. I gave up a career, moved cross country and lived off minimum wage jobs when I could get them in the early 90’s in order to care for an elderly parent. I never felt anything but blessed.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

CAR
I disagree. Scaredy was specifically referencing how you stand among your peers not society. FWIW, i would and have always found a way to be happy no matter how lean times are. I spent months and years living off of a bag of soft pretzels for lunch and spaghetti for dinner. I spent plenty of years struggling mightily just to get by. I gave up a career, moved cross country and lived off minimum wage jobs when I could get them in the early 90’s in order to care for an elderly parent. I never felt anything but blessed.

sdr

[sdrealtor]

[quote=CA renter][quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.[/quote]

I could easily say the exact same thing about where I grew up. It was apple orchards and cornfields but now is nothing but industrial parks and housing developments. The Garden State is no longer the Garden State. Any decent place in the US has grown rapidly since the 70’s and has undergone major fundamental changes in the way of life residents lead. Get over it. We live in Paradise here and if you dont think so, there is still plenty of room in Omaha.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=CA renter][quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.[/quote]

I could easily say the exact same thing about where I grew up. It was apple orchards and cornfields but now is nothing but industrial parks and housing developments. The Garden State is no longer the Garden State. Any decent place in the US has grown rapidly since the 70’s and has undergone major fundamental changes in the way of life residents lead. Get over it. We live in Paradise here and if you dont think so, there is still plenty of room in Omaha.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=CA renter][quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.[/quote]

I could easily say the exact same thing about where I grew up. It was apple orchards and cornfields but now is nothing but industrial parks and housing developments. The Garden State is no longer the Garden State. Any decent place in the US has grown rapidly since the 70’s and has undergone major fundamental changes in the way of life residents lead. Get over it. We live in Paradise here and if you dont think so, there is still plenty of room in Omaha.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=CA renter][quote=bob2007]Ah yes, the “drawbridge”. After you move here/are born, everyone else degrades your life. If your going to make that argument you better go back a lot further than your own birth date.

Besides, I think you missed the point. If you are unhappy with where you are, regardless of how you got there, it affects everyday decisions both big and small. This will affect how you make friends, get along with coworkers, and likely job performance as well. With that attitude things will only get worse and perceived as things “happening to you”. My point/opinion is that its better to do something about it, rather than languish in the despair and decline in your quality of life.[/quote]

There is a certain “carrying capacity” here. Our resources are finite (water, infrastructure, land, clean air/ability to handle pollution, etc.). My DH is a third-generation Californian, and my parents moved here in the 1940s (dad) and early 1950s (mom). There was, in fact, much more room here, and it was totally possible for a middle-class family to live a decent life in a clean, safe neighborhood with a single earner (even one without a college degree!). We had lots of open space, even during my childhood, and we could get around fairly easily without too much traffic.

FWIW, I’m not a whiner by any means, and we’re perfectly fine, financially-speaking (no debt at all, plenty of cash, steady income). You just have to understand that those of us who grew up here have definitely seen some major changes for the worse. Many of us think things really started getting bad in the 80s. Personally, I love California, but hate what it’s becoming.

It’s just a matter of perspective.[/quote]

I could easily say the exact same thing about where I grew up. It was apple orchards and cornfields but now is nothing but industrial parks and housing developments. The Garden State is no longer the Garden State. Any decent place in the US has grown rapidly since the 70’s and has undergone major fundamental changes in the way of life residents lead. Get over it. We live in Paradise here and if you dont think so, there is still plenty of room in Omaha.

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