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June 28, 2007 at 9:43 AM #62701June 28, 2007 at 9:43 AM #62750contramanParticipant
Dear North County Native,
Please explain how you are BLESSED from tithing?
Who told you that, and where do you get this concept?
Does that mean that a person is not BLESSED if they do not tithe?
What exactly does BLESSED mean? Just curious?
Sincerely, Contraman
June 28, 2007 at 11:10 AM #62737anxvarietyParticipantAs a network security engineer, I can comment that in the state of California, unauthorized use of a wireless access point is considered theft of service and is a felony.
LOL typical “network security” person. No, it’s not illegal, and lots of people do it. If you don’t secure it, then it’s open and your computer without modification will connect to it and use it. Nowhere near illegal, tht’s just something that old people and full of themselves say. Why not help people secure their networks if they care instead of making stuff up.
June 28, 2007 at 11:10 AM #62786anxvarietyParticipantAs a network security engineer, I can comment that in the state of California, unauthorized use of a wireless access point is considered theft of service and is a felony.
LOL typical “network security” person. No, it’s not illegal, and lots of people do it. If you don’t secure it, then it’s open and your computer without modification will connect to it and use it. Nowhere near illegal, tht’s just something that old people and full of themselves say. Why not help people secure their networks if they care instead of making stuff up.
June 28, 2007 at 11:18 AM #62741meadandaleParticipant“LOL typical “network security” person. No, it’s not illegal, and lots of people do it.”
Typical justification defense: “lots of people do it”.
http://www.enteredge.com/Articles/2005/7-8-05-moochingwireless.html
While the laws are vague, there is precedent on both sides. Regardless of whether it is a ‘criminal’ act, it is usually forbidden by the TOS of your internet service to willfully share your internet connection with neighbors.
Why not borrow your neighbors car or walk into their garage and help yourself to some of their tools as well? I’m sure you’ll bring them back eh? No harm done?
I guess people will try to justify all kinds of behavior these days.
June 28, 2007 at 11:18 AM #62790meadandaleParticipant“LOL typical “network security” person. No, it’s not illegal, and lots of people do it.”
Typical justification defense: “lots of people do it”.
http://www.enteredge.com/Articles/2005/7-8-05-moochingwireless.html
While the laws are vague, there is precedent on both sides. Regardless of whether it is a ‘criminal’ act, it is usually forbidden by the TOS of your internet service to willfully share your internet connection with neighbors.
Why not borrow your neighbors car or walk into their garage and help yourself to some of their tools as well? I’m sure you’ll bring them back eh? No harm done?
I guess people will try to justify all kinds of behavior these days.
June 28, 2007 at 12:45 PM #62770kewpParticipantNo, it’s not illegal, and lots of people do it. If you don’t secure it, then it’s open and your computer without modification will connect to it and use it. Nowhere near illegal, tht’s just something that old people and full of themselves say. Why not help people secure their networks if they care instead of making stuff up.
Unauthorized access of a computer network is illegal in the State of California. People have already been arrested in other states for doing it, only a matter of time before it happens here, see:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/07/tech/main707361.shtml
Doesn’t matter whether its secured or not. If the owner of the network has not *explicitly* granted you permission to use it you are breaking the law. I’m not suggesting this law makes sense or is easily enforceable for wireless networks, but it is indeed the law.
Think of it like a house. If someone leaves their front door open while away and you walk in and use their bathroom, you can still be arrested for trespassing. The fact that the homeowner is negligent is no matter.
I already have a full-time job securing networks (including WiFi ones), thanks for the advice however!
June 28, 2007 at 12:45 PM #62817kewpParticipantNo, it’s not illegal, and lots of people do it. If you don’t secure it, then it’s open and your computer without modification will connect to it and use it. Nowhere near illegal, tht’s just something that old people and full of themselves say. Why not help people secure their networks if they care instead of making stuff up.
Unauthorized access of a computer network is illegal in the State of California. People have already been arrested in other states for doing it, only a matter of time before it happens here, see:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/07/tech/main707361.shtml
Doesn’t matter whether its secured or not. If the owner of the network has not *explicitly* granted you permission to use it you are breaking the law. I’m not suggesting this law makes sense or is easily enforceable for wireless networks, but it is indeed the law.
Think of it like a house. If someone leaves their front door open while away and you walk in and use their bathroom, you can still be arrested for trespassing. The fact that the homeowner is negligent is no matter.
I already have a full-time job securing networks (including WiFi ones), thanks for the advice however!
June 28, 2007 at 3:23 PM #62781beanmaestroParticipantJennyo,
Sorry, I was too lazy to type it out.
Welfare tax= FICA + Medicare + CA Disability. The non-income taxes deducted from your paycheck…June 28, 2007 at 3:23 PM #62829beanmaestroParticipantJennyo,
Sorry, I was too lazy to type it out.
Welfare tax= FICA + Medicare + CA Disability. The non-income taxes deducted from your paycheck…June 28, 2007 at 4:23 PM #62791KingKongParticipantI was in the similar boat π
Here’s what I would do:
Reduce auto insurance to about $150/month. We have two cars and with AAA, we are paying about $1,000 a year with full coverage.
Start your retirement plan. For self-employed, you can put in a lot more than paycheck earners. Take advantage of it.
You are paying too much for life insurance. Since your wife is not working, you should just insure yourself for half a mill. Get a 20-year policy rather than 30 year policy.
For Charity contributions, everyone got their own opinions. If it is important to you, so be it.
Hope this helps.
June 28, 2007 at 4:23 PM #62840KingKongParticipantI was in the similar boat π
Here’s what I would do:
Reduce auto insurance to about $150/month. We have two cars and with AAA, we are paying about $1,000 a year with full coverage.
Start your retirement plan. For self-employed, you can put in a lot more than paycheck earners. Take advantage of it.
You are paying too much for life insurance. Since your wife is not working, you should just insure yourself for half a mill. Get a 20-year policy rather than 30 year policy.
For Charity contributions, everyone got their own opinions. If it is important to you, so be it.
Hope this helps.
June 28, 2007 at 4:58 PM #62799crParticipantContraman,
I’d suggest you try something yourself before incessantly bashing someone for doing something out of faith. If you have, than I surmise you had a bad experience with it, but either way, lay off the guy for tithing.
He didn’t say he fulfilled the law, he didn’t say those who don’t tithe won’t be blessed, and you’re completely wrong on indulgences.
If you have finanical insight, fine, but just throwing rocks at someone because you think all churches are family killing mindless organzations is not what we’re here to discuss.
Save it for Michael Moore.
June 28, 2007 at 4:58 PM #62848crParticipantContraman,
I’d suggest you try something yourself before incessantly bashing someone for doing something out of faith. If you have, than I surmise you had a bad experience with it, but either way, lay off the guy for tithing.
He didn’t say he fulfilled the law, he didn’t say those who don’t tithe won’t be blessed, and you’re completely wrong on indulgences.
If you have finanical insight, fine, but just throwing rocks at someone because you think all churches are family killing mindless organzations is not what we’re here to discuss.
Save it for Michael Moore.
June 29, 2007 at 3:18 PM #62997AnonymousGuestDoesn’t matter whether its secured or not. If the owner of the network has not *explicitly* granted you permission to use it you are breaking the law. I’m not suggesting this law makes sense or is easily enforceable for wireless networks, but it is indeed the law.
It seems that the right thing to do is to go up to your neighbor: “I see you have a wireless router for your internet connection. I have wife and young children and am trying to economize. I’ll pay half your subscription fee if I can use the connection, if that’s OK with you.”
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