Ignore Ron Paul are the new marching orders?

[jpinpb]

[quote=Arraya]

[quote=briansd1]
Arraya might be right long term. The significant shifts won’t happen but slowly in like 100 years. [/quote]

That is straight up reality impairment. [/quote]

LOL. I know your posts are serious, but that was a funny line.

Arraya – who is the writer that you quoted? Link?

[briansd1]

Interesting issues you bring up Arraya.

Getting rid of the existing order is not enough, IMO. I want to know what’s beyond before I make a commitment.

If a quality standard of living is not the goods and services we consume, the houses we live in, then what is it?

Call me elitist if you wish, but did you consider that the intelligentsia, the people of means, are the keepers of knowledge, culture and beauty?

I contend that it’s always good to aspire to a better world. But we must learn to live with the limitations of our current reality, while working to improve it.

[quote=Arraya]
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option. [/quote]

There are dangers in the above. But that can fixed with the right policies.

For example, higher education can be made free or low-cost. We should not subsidize students getting into debt so that the debts then fuel education inflation.

Once upon a time, in America, primary and secondary education were not free and universal. We must resist attempts by partisans to turn back the clock.

Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.

[briansd1]

Interesting issues you bring up Arraya.

Getting rid of the existing order is not enough, IMO. I want to know what’s beyond before I make a commitment.

If a quality standard of living is not the goods and services we consume, the houses we live in, then what is it?

Call me elitist if you wish, but did you consider that the intelligentsia, the people of means, are the keepers of knowledge, culture and beauty?

I contend that it’s always good to aspire to a better world. But we must learn to live with the limitations of our current reality, while working to improve it.

[quote=Arraya]
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option. [/quote]

There are dangers in the above. But that can fixed with the right policies.

For example, higher education can be made free or low-cost. We should not subsidize students getting into debt so that the debts then fuel education inflation.

Once upon a time, in America, primary and secondary education were not free and universal. We must resist attempts by partisans to turn back the clock.

Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.

[briansd1]

Interesting issues you bring up Arraya.

Getting rid of the existing order is not enough, IMO. I want to know what’s beyond before I make a commitment.

If a quality standard of living is not the goods and services we consume, the houses we live in, then what is it?

Call me elitist if you wish, but did you consider that the intelligentsia, the people of means, are the keepers of knowledge, culture and beauty?

I contend that it’s always good to aspire to a better world. But we must learn to live with the limitations of our current reality, while working to improve it.

[quote=Arraya]
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option. [/quote]

There are dangers in the above. But that can fixed with the right policies.

For example, higher education can be made free or low-cost. We should not subsidize students getting into debt so that the debts then fuel education inflation.

Once upon a time, in America, primary and secondary education were not free and universal. We must resist attempts by partisans to turn back the clock.

Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.

[briansd1]

Interesting issues you bring up Arraya.

Getting rid of the existing order is not enough, IMO. I want to know what’s beyond before I make a commitment.

If a quality standard of living is not the goods and services we consume, the houses we live in, then what is it?

Call me elitist if you wish, but did you consider that the intelligentsia, the people of means, are the keepers of knowledge, culture and beauty?

I contend that it’s always good to aspire to a better world. But we must learn to live with the limitations of our current reality, while working to improve it.

[quote=Arraya]
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option. [/quote]

There are dangers in the above. But that can fixed with the right policies.

For example, higher education can be made free or low-cost. We should not subsidize students getting into debt so that the debts then fuel education inflation.

Once upon a time, in America, primary and secondary education were not free and universal. We must resist attempts by partisans to turn back the clock.

Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.

[briansd1]

Interesting issues you bring up Arraya.

Getting rid of the existing order is not enough, IMO. I want to know what’s beyond before I make a commitment.

If a quality standard of living is not the goods and services we consume, the houses we live in, then what is it?

Call me elitist if you wish, but did you consider that the intelligentsia, the people of means, are the keepers of knowledge, culture and beauty?

I contend that it’s always good to aspire to a better world. But we must learn to live with the limitations of our current reality, while working to improve it.

[quote=Arraya]
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option. [/quote]

There are dangers in the above. But that can fixed with the right policies.

For example, higher education can be made free or low-cost. We should not subsidize students getting into debt so that the debts then fuel education inflation.

Once upon a time, in America, primary and secondary education were not free and universal. We must resist attempts by partisans to turn back the clock.

Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.[/quote]

I don’t see that happening. Hard to take back something that big. They’d have to scrap the whole thing, which is what some want. In the end, though, I have to say that most people in government do not want universal healthcare or we would’ve had it already. Nixon tried it long ago. This is the closest to univeral healthcare, but it’s really, as I’ve said before, a gift to the insurance company disguised as healthcare.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.[/quote]

I don’t see that happening. Hard to take back something that big. They’d have to scrap the whole thing, which is what some want. In the end, though, I have to say that most people in government do not want universal healthcare or we would’ve had it already. Nixon tried it long ago. This is the closest to univeral healthcare, but it’s really, as I’ve said before, a gift to the insurance company disguised as healthcare.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.[/quote]

I don’t see that happening. Hard to take back something that big. They’d have to scrap the whole thing, which is what some want. In the end, though, I have to say that most people in government do not want universal healthcare or we would’ve had it already. Nixon tried it long ago. This is the closest to univeral healthcare, but it’s really, as I’ve said before, a gift to the insurance company disguised as healthcare.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.[/quote]

I don’t see that happening. Hard to take back something that big. They’d have to scrap the whole thing, which is what some want. In the end, though, I have to say that most people in government do not want universal healthcare or we would’ve had it already. Nixon tried it long ago. This is the closest to univeral healthcare, but it’s really, as I’ve said before, a gift to the insurance company disguised as healthcare.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]Health care can be make universal by squeezing out profit making insurance companies.[/quote]

I don’t see that happening. Hard to take back something that big. They’d have to scrap the whole thing, which is what some want. In the end, though, I have to say that most people in government do not want universal healthcare or we would’ve had it already. Nixon tried it long ago. This is the closest to univeral healthcare, but it’s really, as I’ve said before, a gift to the insurance company disguised as healthcare.

[briansd1]

Time will tell jp.

If we can get the business community on board, and once businesses see that universal health care is good for business, we may get it.

Korea and Taiwan, two very business friendly countries have universal health care. It’s not generous and costly like in Europe, but it works better than our very inequitable system of health delivery.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/models.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447690/

One of the benefits of a less America-centric world is that we will be more likely to be influenced and learn from other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

[briansd1]

Time will tell jp.

If we can get the business community on board, and once businesses see that universal health care is good for business, we may get it.

Korea and Taiwan, two very business friendly countries have universal health care. It’s not generous and costly like in Europe, but it works better than our very inequitable system of health delivery.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/models.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447690/

One of the benefits of a less America-centric world is that we will be more likely to be influenced and learn from other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

[briansd1]

Time will tell jp.

If we can get the business community on board, and once businesses see that universal health care is good for business, we may get it.

Korea and Taiwan, two very business friendly countries have universal health care. It’s not generous and costly like in Europe, but it works better than our very inequitable system of health delivery.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/models.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447690/

One of the benefits of a less America-centric world is that we will be more likely to be influenced and learn from other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

[briansd1]

Time will tell jp.

If we can get the business community on board, and once businesses see that universal health care is good for business, we may get it.

Korea and Taiwan, two very business friendly countries have universal health care. It’s not generous and costly like in Europe, but it works better than our very inequitable system of health delivery.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/models.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447690/

One of the benefits of a less America-centric world is that we will be more likely to be influenced and learn from other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

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