huge topic:Americans keep getting fatter

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[quote=sdrealtor]
My friend hasnt worked in the US for over a decade and his perspective is not to think our model is best. He is in the trenches and sees what goes on. Hope you enjoyed the Thai information also. He said they do a number of things very well there. The biggest difference he emphasized about US physicians over the Thai (and many other countries) physicians is the ability to think outside the box to find solutions when things arent exactly as they were taught. In Thailand if they dont see something fitting exactly in their frame of reference they refer you to someone else and this can go on and on. His point was that the concept of American ingenuity is very real.[/quote]

This might add some context. Where I went to school medical schools were not attracting the top talent. The most prestigious were electrical engineering and mathematics and almost all of the top achievers were aiming at those. Mechanical and civil engineering and medical schools were seen as kind of a second tier schools for hard working students who lacked the creativity and problem solving skills of the top performers.

Law, economics and political sciences were the bottom. You go there if you fail at everything else.

Consequently, most of the physicians were not outside the box thinkers. Here you get more of that, but they float up and unless you are a professional athlete or have access to top hospitals you won’t be treated by a top performer.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter] . . . But Aetna, and remember this is the same insurance giant that tried to raise rate by over 30% last year in Cali, scored 77.8 and landed #208 out of 239 health plans ranked.[/quote]

My premium went DOWN $10 mo for 2011 and Aetna paid $1600 – $1700 in claims on my behalf last year.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter] . . . But Aetna, and remember this is the same insurance giant that tried to raise rate by over 30% last year in Cali, scored 77.8 and landed #208 out of 239 health plans ranked.[/quote]

My premium went DOWN $10 mo for 2011 and Aetna paid $1600 – $1700 in claims on my behalf last year.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter] . . . But Aetna, and remember this is the same insurance giant that tried to raise rate by over 30% last year in Cali, scored 77.8 and landed #208 out of 239 health plans ranked.[/quote]

My premium went DOWN $10 mo for 2011 and Aetna paid $1600 – $1700 in claims on my behalf last year.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter] . . . But Aetna, and remember this is the same insurance giant that tried to raise rate by over 30% last year in Cali, scored 77.8 and landed #208 out of 239 health plans ranked.[/quote]

My premium went DOWN $10 mo for 2011 and Aetna paid $1600 – $1700 in claims on my behalf last year.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter] . . . But Aetna, and remember this is the same insurance giant that tried to raise rate by over 30% last year in Cali, scored 77.8 and landed #208 out of 239 health plans ranked.[/quote]

My premium went DOWN $10 mo for 2011 and Aetna paid $1600 – $1700 in claims on my behalf last year.

[sdrealtor]

Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from. Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.

As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.

[sdrealtor]

Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from. Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.

As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.

[sdrealtor]

Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from. Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.

As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.

[sdrealtor]

Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from. Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.

As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.

[sdrealtor]

Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from. Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.

As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.

[citydweller]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=CA renter]Maybe that’s because we don’t approach health from a holistic perspective, as the Europeans are more prone to do. That holistic approach tends to exist in a sytem where health — rather than profits — is the priority of the healthcare system.

After all, with a **for-profit** healthcare system, a sick population (with chronic conditions that need to be “treated” for life, no less) is precisely what they want.[/quote]

X2. But then we have our new national healthcare, which is insurance based. And this is why I have an issue w/it. They are in business solely to make money.[/quote]

But now that the insurers are required to cover everyone, with limits on what they can charge, as well as no longer being able to put lifetime caps on what they will pay, along with not being able to drop people who become ill, it becomes in their best interest to actually want people to be and stay healthy.

[citydweller]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=CA renter]Maybe that’s because we don’t approach health from a holistic perspective, as the Europeans are more prone to do. That holistic approach tends to exist in a sytem where health — rather than profits — is the priority of the healthcare system.

After all, with a **for-profit** healthcare system, a sick population (with chronic conditions that need to be “treated” for life, no less) is precisely what they want.[/quote]

X2. But then we have our new national healthcare, which is insurance based. And this is why I have an issue w/it. They are in business solely to make money.[/quote]

But now that the insurers are required to cover everyone, with limits on what they can charge, as well as no longer being able to put lifetime caps on what they will pay, along with not being able to drop people who become ill, it becomes in their best interest to actually want people to be and stay healthy.

[citydweller]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=CA renter]Maybe that’s because we don’t approach health from a holistic perspective, as the Europeans are more prone to do. That holistic approach tends to exist in a sytem where health — rather than profits — is the priority of the healthcare system.

After all, with a **for-profit** healthcare system, a sick population (with chronic conditions that need to be “treated” for life, no less) is precisely what they want.[/quote]

X2. But then we have our new national healthcare, which is insurance based. And this is why I have an issue w/it. They are in business solely to make money.[/quote]

But now that the insurers are required to cover everyone, with limits on what they can charge, as well as no longer being able to put lifetime caps on what they will pay, along with not being able to drop people who become ill, it becomes in their best interest to actually want people to be and stay healthy.

[citydweller]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=CA renter]Maybe that’s because we don’t approach health from a holistic perspective, as the Europeans are more prone to do. That holistic approach tends to exist in a sytem where health — rather than profits — is the priority of the healthcare system.

After all, with a **for-profit** healthcare system, a sick population (with chronic conditions that need to be “treated” for life, no less) is precisely what they want.[/quote]

X2. But then we have our new national healthcare, which is insurance based. And this is why I have an issue w/it. They are in business solely to make money.[/quote]

But now that the insurers are required to cover everyone, with limits on what they can charge, as well as no longer being able to put lifetime caps on what they will pay, along with not being able to drop people who become ill, it becomes in their best interest to actually want people to be and stay healthy.

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