huge topic:Americans keep getting fatter

[citydweller]

[quote=jpinpb][quote=CA renter]Maybe that’s because we don’t approach health from a holistic perspective, as the Europeans are more prone to do. That holistic approach tends to exist in a sytem where health — rather than profits — is the priority of the healthcare system.

After all, with a **for-profit** healthcare system, a sick population (with chronic conditions that need to be “treated” for life, no less) is precisely what they want.[/quote]

X2. But then we have our new national healthcare, which is insurance based. And this is why I have an issue w/it. They are in business solely to make money.[/quote]

But now that the insurers are required to cover everyone, with limits on what they can charge, as well as no longer being able to put lifetime caps on what they will pay, along with not being able to drop people who become ill, it becomes in their best interest to actually want people to be and stay healthy.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor] . . . As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.[/quote]

Agreed, but add, “insured with a PPO or indemnity plan.” There are MANY providers right here in SD County who are “top performers.” However, accessing them might be problematic with an HMO. IF you are finally able to get your HMO (such as “Kaiser”) to contract with one of them, this may or may not happen in a “timely manner.” :={

Also, many of these (renowned) “top performers” are past the typical “retirement age.” As a patient, you need to be able to get past that, knowing that you are will not be the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd case they’ve had with your diagnosis or that they have “operated on” . . . lol.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor] . . . As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.[/quote]

Agreed, but add, “insured with a PPO or indemnity plan.” There are MANY providers right here in SD County who are “top performers.” However, accessing them might be problematic with an HMO. IF you are finally able to get your HMO (such as “Kaiser”) to contract with one of them, this may or may not happen in a “timely manner.” :={

Also, many of these (renowned) “top performers” are past the typical “retirement age.” As a patient, you need to be able to get past that, knowing that you are will not be the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd case they’ve had with your diagnosis or that they have “operated on” . . . lol.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor] . . . As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.[/quote]

Agreed, but add, “insured with a PPO or indemnity plan.” There are MANY providers right here in SD County who are “top performers.” However, accessing them might be problematic with an HMO. IF you are finally able to get your HMO (such as “Kaiser”) to contract with one of them, this may or may not happen in a “timely manner.” :={

Also, many of these (renowned) “top performers” are past the typical “retirement age.” As a patient, you need to be able to get past that, knowing that you are will not be the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd case they’ve had with your diagnosis or that they have “operated on” . . . lol.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor] . . . As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.[/quote]

Agreed, but add, “insured with a PPO or indemnity plan.” There are MANY providers right here in SD County who are “top performers.” However, accessing them might be problematic with an HMO. IF you are finally able to get your HMO (such as “Kaiser”) to contract with one of them, this may or may not happen in a “timely manner.” :={

Also, many of these (renowned) “top performers” are past the typical “retirement age.” As a patient, you need to be able to get past that, knowing that you are will not be the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd case they’ve had with your diagnosis or that they have “operated on” . . . lol.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=sdrealtor] . . . As long as you are insured I think it is very possible to be treated by a top performer. You just need to be able to figure out who they are which isnt easy and to strongly advocate for your own care which isnt either.[/quote]

Agreed, but add, “insured with a PPO or indemnity plan.” There are MANY providers right here in SD County who are “top performers.” However, accessing them might be problematic with an HMO. IF you are finally able to get your HMO (such as “Kaiser”) to contract with one of them, this may or may not happen in a “timely manner.” :={

Also, many of these (renowned) “top performers” are past the typical “retirement age.” As a patient, you need to be able to get past that, knowing that you are will not be the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd case they’ve had with your diagnosis or that they have “operated on” . . . lol.

[sdrealtor]

Thanks for the clarification and you are correct that I meant insured with a PPO/POS or indemnity plan.

[sdrealtor]

Thanks for the clarification and you are correct that I meant insured with a PPO/POS or indemnity plan.

[sdrealtor]

Thanks for the clarification and you are correct that I meant insured with a PPO/POS or indemnity plan.

[sdrealtor]

Thanks for the clarification and you are correct that I meant insured with a PPO/POS or indemnity plan.

[sdrealtor]

Thanks for the clarification and you are correct that I meant insured with a PPO/POS or indemnity plan.

[all]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from.

Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.[/quote]

Western part of the former Yugoslavia, which is often mistaken for a Soviet-controlled country. Fairly boring until ’90s. Unlike ‘those’ countries we did not need a permit to exit the country or visa to enter any European country other than France, commerce was fairly liberal and pop-culture shaped by Hollywood and French movies.

However, most of the industries and services were not state owned, but heavily regulated. You would have to go into commerce, manufacturing or agriculture to run a private business – education, health, energy, etc… were ‘publicly owned’. And if an industry is regulated the ratio between the lowest and the highest salary worked as equalizer for salaries between professions. A physician cannot make 10x what college professor makes if the highest salary cannot be more than seven times larger than what janitors make. So, a college degree would almost guarantee an equivalent of a middle-class life – a housing unit, a vehicle, summer and winter vacation trips, vacation house in the area, etc.

Desirability of occupations and professions change once you reduce the disparity in the compensations. A physician is always and everywhere held in high regard, but the job really sucks and the school is not easy. You are always around people who are ill or dying, cutting parts and draining stuff. And while in school you have to memorize a lot of information and there is little room for creativity. Engineering is less stress and more creativity.

When I went to school access to the US was not part of the equation. Poor and uneducated were more interested in finding work in wealthier European countries. Professionals were mostly happy with what they had.

[all]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from.

Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.[/quote]

Western part of the former Yugoslavia, which is often mistaken for a Soviet-controlled country. Fairly boring until ’90s. Unlike ‘those’ countries we did not need a permit to exit the country or visa to enter any European country other than France, commerce was fairly liberal and pop-culture shaped by Hollywood and French movies.

However, most of the industries and services were not state owned, but heavily regulated. You would have to go into commerce, manufacturing or agriculture to run a private business – education, health, energy, etc… were ‘publicly owned’. And if an industry is regulated the ratio between the lowest and the highest salary worked as equalizer for salaries between professions. A physician cannot make 10x what college professor makes if the highest salary cannot be more than seven times larger than what janitors make. So, a college degree would almost guarantee an equivalent of a middle-class life – a housing unit, a vehicle, summer and winter vacation trips, vacation house in the area, etc.

Desirability of occupations and professions change once you reduce the disparity in the compensations. A physician is always and everywhere held in high regard, but the job really sucks and the school is not easy. You are always around people who are ill or dying, cutting parts and draining stuff. And while in school you have to memorize a lot of information and there is little room for creativity. Engineering is less stress and more creativity.

When I went to school access to the US was not part of the equation. Poor and uneducated were more interested in finding work in wealthier European countries. Professionals were mostly happy with what they had.

[all]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from.

Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.[/quote]

Western part of the former Yugoslavia, which is often mistaken for a Soviet-controlled country. Fairly boring until ’90s. Unlike ‘those’ countries we did not need a permit to exit the country or visa to enter any European country other than France, commerce was fairly liberal and pop-culture shaped by Hollywood and French movies.

However, most of the industries and services were not state owned, but heavily regulated. You would have to go into commerce, manufacturing or agriculture to run a private business – education, health, energy, etc… were ‘publicly owned’. And if an industry is regulated the ratio between the lowest and the highest salary worked as equalizer for salaries between professions. A physician cannot make 10x what college professor makes if the highest salary cannot be more than seven times larger than what janitors make. So, a college degree would almost guarantee an equivalent of a middle-class life – a housing unit, a vehicle, summer and winter vacation trips, vacation house in the area, etc.

Desirability of occupations and professions change once you reduce the disparity in the compensations. A physician is always and everywhere held in high regard, but the job really sucks and the school is not easy. You are always around people who are ill or dying, cutting parts and draining stuff. And while in school you have to memorize a lot of information and there is little room for creativity. Engineering is less stress and more creativity.

When I went to school access to the US was not part of the equation. Poor and uneducated were more interested in finding work in wealthier European countries. Professionals were mostly happy with what they had.

[all]

[quote=sdrealtor]Thanx captcha.
I’m wondering what country you are from.

Its an intersting perspective which speaks to the differences between the US and other countries. Here our best and brightest typically become doctors because it is generally regarded as the top of mountain careerwise. I wonder if it is second tier in other countries because as a doctor you have to play on the local stage whereas engineers get to play on a global stage which gives the access to the US.[/quote]

Western part of the former Yugoslavia, which is often mistaken for a Soviet-controlled country. Fairly boring until ’90s. Unlike ‘those’ countries we did not need a permit to exit the country or visa to enter any European country other than France, commerce was fairly liberal and pop-culture shaped by Hollywood and French movies.

However, most of the industries and services were not state owned, but heavily regulated. You would have to go into commerce, manufacturing or agriculture to run a private business – education, health, energy, etc… were ‘publicly owned’. And if an industry is regulated the ratio between the lowest and the highest salary worked as equalizer for salaries between professions. A physician cannot make 10x what college professor makes if the highest salary cannot be more than seven times larger than what janitors make. So, a college degree would almost guarantee an equivalent of a middle-class life – a housing unit, a vehicle, summer and winter vacation trips, vacation house in the area, etc.

Desirability of occupations and professions change once you reduce the disparity in the compensations. A physician is always and everywhere held in high regard, but the job really sucks and the school is not easy. You are always around people who are ill or dying, cutting parts and draining stuff. And while in school you have to memorize a lot of information and there is little room for creativity. Engineering is less stress and more creativity.

When I went to school access to the US was not part of the equation. Poor and uneducated were more interested in finding work in wealthier European countries. Professionals were mostly happy with what they had.

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