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April 7, 2008 at 7:23 AM #182037April 7, 2008 at 10:26 AM #182182crParticipant
If you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.
To that historical trend we can add the fact that we are only now starting to see conditions that can cause a decline in a normal cycle, i.e. recession, job losses, consumer fear.
We’re still in the bargaining stage. It’s now accepted that prices will fall even as much as 25%, but the general consensus is for a turn-around by the end of ’08. We heard the same thing a year ago.
Prices have no chance of bottoming out as long as inventories and foreclosures are on the rise.
April 7, 2008 at 10:26 AM #182194crParticipantIf you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.
To that historical trend we can add the fact that we are only now starting to see conditions that can cause a decline in a normal cycle, i.e. recession, job losses, consumer fear.
We’re still in the bargaining stage. It’s now accepted that prices will fall even as much as 25%, but the general consensus is for a turn-around by the end of ’08. We heard the same thing a year ago.
Prices have no chance of bottoming out as long as inventories and foreclosures are on the rise.
April 7, 2008 at 10:26 AM #182225crParticipantIf you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.
To that historical trend we can add the fact that we are only now starting to see conditions that can cause a decline in a normal cycle, i.e. recession, job losses, consumer fear.
We’re still in the bargaining stage. It’s now accepted that prices will fall even as much as 25%, but the general consensus is for a turn-around by the end of ’08. We heard the same thing a year ago.
Prices have no chance of bottoming out as long as inventories and foreclosures are on the rise.
April 7, 2008 at 10:26 AM #182228crParticipantIf you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.
To that historical trend we can add the fact that we are only now starting to see conditions that can cause a decline in a normal cycle, i.e. recession, job losses, consumer fear.
We’re still in the bargaining stage. It’s now accepted that prices will fall even as much as 25%, but the general consensus is for a turn-around by the end of ’08. We heard the same thing a year ago.
Prices have no chance of bottoming out as long as inventories and foreclosures are on the rise.
April 7, 2008 at 10:26 AM #182236crParticipantIf you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.
To that historical trend we can add the fact that we are only now starting to see conditions that can cause a decline in a normal cycle, i.e. recession, job losses, consumer fear.
We’re still in the bargaining stage. It’s now accepted that prices will fall even as much as 25%, but the general consensus is for a turn-around by the end of ’08. We heard the same thing a year ago.
Prices have no chance of bottoming out as long as inventories and foreclosures are on the rise.
April 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM #182192AnonymousGuestThe best bet is to look at rents relative to home prices for any area to determine how much prices will fall. If a 2,000 sq ft house is renting for $2,000 in 4S Ranch the price of the home will fall to about $250,000 ($1,600 mortgage, $250 taxes, and $150 HOA). If mortgage rates go up, if today’s flipping bargains become tomorrow’s defaults, and the rents fall prices could fall even more.
One thing I would really wait for is for Option ARMs (Neg AMs) to reset when the available line of credit is used up. This is likely to happen in large numbers in 2010 and 2011. When this occurs areas that have had large run ups but limited rentals will start to see defaults and price declines.
April 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM #182204AnonymousGuestThe best bet is to look at rents relative to home prices for any area to determine how much prices will fall. If a 2,000 sq ft house is renting for $2,000 in 4S Ranch the price of the home will fall to about $250,000 ($1,600 mortgage, $250 taxes, and $150 HOA). If mortgage rates go up, if today’s flipping bargains become tomorrow’s defaults, and the rents fall prices could fall even more.
One thing I would really wait for is for Option ARMs (Neg AMs) to reset when the available line of credit is used up. This is likely to happen in large numbers in 2010 and 2011. When this occurs areas that have had large run ups but limited rentals will start to see defaults and price declines.
April 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM #182235AnonymousGuestThe best bet is to look at rents relative to home prices for any area to determine how much prices will fall. If a 2,000 sq ft house is renting for $2,000 in 4S Ranch the price of the home will fall to about $250,000 ($1,600 mortgage, $250 taxes, and $150 HOA). If mortgage rates go up, if today’s flipping bargains become tomorrow’s defaults, and the rents fall prices could fall even more.
One thing I would really wait for is for Option ARMs (Neg AMs) to reset when the available line of credit is used up. This is likely to happen in large numbers in 2010 and 2011. When this occurs areas that have had large run ups but limited rentals will start to see defaults and price declines.
April 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM #182238AnonymousGuestThe best bet is to look at rents relative to home prices for any area to determine how much prices will fall. If a 2,000 sq ft house is renting for $2,000 in 4S Ranch the price of the home will fall to about $250,000 ($1,600 mortgage, $250 taxes, and $150 HOA). If mortgage rates go up, if today’s flipping bargains become tomorrow’s defaults, and the rents fall prices could fall even more.
One thing I would really wait for is for Option ARMs (Neg AMs) to reset when the available line of credit is used up. This is likely to happen in large numbers in 2010 and 2011. When this occurs areas that have had large run ups but limited rentals will start to see defaults and price declines.
April 7, 2008 at 10:42 AM #182246AnonymousGuestThe best bet is to look at rents relative to home prices for any area to determine how much prices will fall. If a 2,000 sq ft house is renting for $2,000 in 4S Ranch the price of the home will fall to about $250,000 ($1,600 mortgage, $250 taxes, and $150 HOA). If mortgage rates go up, if today’s flipping bargains become tomorrow’s defaults, and the rents fall prices could fall even more.
One thing I would really wait for is for Option ARMs (Neg AMs) to reset when the available line of credit is used up. This is likely to happen in large numbers in 2010 and 2011. When this occurs areas that have had large run ups but limited rentals will start to see defaults and price declines.
April 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM #182197andymajumderParticipant“If you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.”
Ideally, thats what you expect. But, its moves like this
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/funds/etf-update/10410831.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
which has me worried. Congress and Fed seems to be hell bent on throwing as much money on Housing as possible to prevent itself from correcting. Its almost an all out war against renters and tempt them buy at any cost. I won’t be surprised if a new bill comes out which will add an additional tax if you are renting.:-)
April 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM #182209andymajumderParticipant“If you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.”
Ideally, thats what you expect. But, its moves like this
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/funds/etf-update/10410831.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
which has me worried. Congress and Fed seems to be hell bent on throwing as much money on Housing as possible to prevent itself from correcting. Its almost an all out war against renters and tempt them buy at any cost. I won’t be surprised if a new bill comes out which will add an additional tax if you are renting.:-)
April 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM #182240andymajumderParticipant“If you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.”
Ideally, thats what you expect. But, its moves like this
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/funds/etf-update/10410831.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
which has me worried. Congress and Fed seems to be hell bent on throwing as much money on Housing as possible to prevent itself from correcting. Its almost an all out war against renters and tempt them buy at any cost. I won’t be surprised if a new bill comes out which will add an additional tax if you are renting.:-)
April 7, 2008 at 10:46 AM #182243andymajumderParticipant“If you look at past cycles, once prices reverted to the mean they continued downward and over-corrected. There’s no reason not to expect that this time.”
Ideally, thats what you expect. But, its moves like this
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/funds/etf-update/10410831.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
which has me worried. Congress and Fed seems to be hell bent on throwing as much money on Housing as possible to prevent itself from correcting. Its almost an all out war against renters and tempt them buy at any cost. I won’t be surprised if a new bill comes out which will add an additional tax if you are renting.:-)
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