Hooray for the tax cut…

[DWCAP]

[quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)

[Anonymous]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

[Anonymous]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

[Anonymous]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

[Anonymous]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

[Anonymous]

[quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

[Anonymous]

[quote=briansd1][quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.[/quote]

My point is that if somebody relies on their daddy’s money (or inheritance) and can’t make a living on their own, they are losers.

[Anonymous]

[quote=briansd1][quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.[/quote]

My point is that if somebody relies on their daddy’s money (or inheritance) and can’t make a living on their own, they are losers.

[Anonymous]

[quote=briansd1][quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.[/quote]

My point is that if somebody relies on their daddy’s money (or inheritance) and can’t make a living on their own, they are losers.

[Anonymous]

[quote=briansd1][quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.[/quote]

My point is that if somebody relies on their daddy’s money (or inheritance) and can’t make a living on their own, they are losers.

[Anonymous]

[quote=briansd1][quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.[/quote]

My point is that if somebody relies on their daddy’s money (or inheritance) and can’t make a living on their own, they are losers.

[CA renter]

[quote=deadzone][quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.[/quote]

Exactly right, deadzone.
————

DWCAP,

I’m too cynical to believe that we control the laws that get passed — nor do we control the people who pass them. The people who run this country and our government are not elected. They operate behind the scenes and “advise” the puppets whom we elect.

In almost every case, we are given the option of “Puppet #1” or “Puppet #2.” In most cases, there is no real difference, as they serve the same masters.

Once in a blue moon, we get a chance to see someone who miraculously overcomes the obstacles put in place by those with power, but those candidates are few and far between — Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, and Dennis Kucinich seem to have integrity and seem to want to represent “our” interests, but most people vote for the candidate with the most popular or numerous commercials.

Yes, I blame voters, but I also blame the machine that seeks to shield voters’ eyes from reality. When a candidate’s “issues” focus on emotional issues like gay rights, abortion, “welfare queens,” etc., chances are they are put there by those who want to retain control of our natural resources and our economy.

IMHO, if we want to know whose interests a candidate represents, always follow the money. It is ALWAYS about the money.

[CA renter]

[quote=deadzone][quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.[/quote]

Exactly right, deadzone.
————

DWCAP,

I’m too cynical to believe that we control the laws that get passed — nor do we control the people who pass them. The people who run this country and our government are not elected. They operate behind the scenes and “advise” the puppets whom we elect.

In almost every case, we are given the option of “Puppet #1” or “Puppet #2.” In most cases, there is no real difference, as they serve the same masters.

Once in a blue moon, we get a chance to see someone who miraculously overcomes the obstacles put in place by those with power, but those candidates are few and far between — Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, and Dennis Kucinich seem to have integrity and seem to want to represent “our” interests, but most people vote for the candidate with the most popular or numerous commercials.

Yes, I blame voters, but I also blame the machine that seeks to shield voters’ eyes from reality. When a candidate’s “issues” focus on emotional issues like gay rights, abortion, “welfare queens,” etc., chances are they are put there by those who want to retain control of our natural resources and our economy.

IMHO, if we want to know whose interests a candidate represents, always follow the money. It is ALWAYS about the money.

[CA renter]

[quote=deadzone][quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.[/quote]

Exactly right, deadzone.
————

DWCAP,

I’m too cynical to believe that we control the laws that get passed — nor do we control the people who pass them. The people who run this country and our government are not elected. They operate behind the scenes and “advise” the puppets whom we elect.

In almost every case, we are given the option of “Puppet #1” or “Puppet #2.” In most cases, there is no real difference, as they serve the same masters.

Once in a blue moon, we get a chance to see someone who miraculously overcomes the obstacles put in place by those with power, but those candidates are few and far between — Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, and Dennis Kucinich seem to have integrity and seem to want to represent “our” interests, but most people vote for the candidate with the most popular or numerous commercials.

Yes, I blame voters, but I also blame the machine that seeks to shield voters’ eyes from reality. When a candidate’s “issues” focus on emotional issues like gay rights, abortion, “welfare queens,” etc., chances are they are put there by those who want to retain control of our natural resources and our economy.

IMHO, if we want to know whose interests a candidate represents, always follow the money. It is ALWAYS about the money.

[CA renter]

[quote=deadzone][quote=DWCAP][quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)[/quote]

Sorry, but voters don’t have any power because they are forced to choose candidates from one of two political parties that are both equally corrupt. Both political parties are controlled by the same special interests for the most part. Both supported TARP at the end of the day.

We voted for Obama in the hopes changing Bush policies. That didn’t happen. He re-appointed the same crooks to run the treasury and Fed. He then just extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich.[/quote]

Exactly right, deadzone.
————

DWCAP,

I’m too cynical to believe that we control the laws that get passed — nor do we control the people who pass them. The people who run this country and our government are not elected. They operate behind the scenes and “advise” the puppets whom we elect.

In almost every case, we are given the option of “Puppet #1” or “Puppet #2.” In most cases, there is no real difference, as they serve the same masters.

Once in a blue moon, we get a chance to see someone who miraculously overcomes the obstacles put in place by those with power, but those candidates are few and far between — Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, and Dennis Kucinich seem to have integrity and seem to want to represent “our” interests, but most people vote for the candidate with the most popular or numerous commercials.

Yes, I blame voters, but I also blame the machine that seeks to shield voters’ eyes from reality. When a candidate’s “issues” focus on emotional issues like gay rights, abortion, “welfare queens,” etc., chances are they are put there by those who want to retain control of our natural resources and our economy.

IMHO, if we want to know whose interests a candidate represents, always follow the money. It is ALWAYS about the money.

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