Hooray for the tax cut…

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[quote=meadandale][quote=deadzone]Right or wrong I’m all for higher inheritance tax. What did those worthless, spoiled rich kids to do deserve that financial windfall? They didn’t do shit, their parents did, or their grandparents. I say tax the shit out of em. You can call it “double taxation” if you want but all the same, it would rather them pay more than the rest of us.

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

Envy much?

The irony is that this tax often hits the children of family owned farms…who end up having to sell the family property in order to pay the estate tax. Awesome..more land for the corporations to gobble up. More unintended consequences…[/quote]

Really? Often hits the children of family owned farms? Sad story. At least it would be if it really happened that way. Having done estate planning for many years, it never made sense to me when I first heard the “sad family farm” story. I dug into it a bit a few years ago. Couldn’t find a single credible instance of it actually happening that actually included the facts of the case. Not a one. Not even one where I could pick it apart and explain why it didn’t make any sense. Nothing. Maybe it has happened. But I suspect it has been so incredibly rare over the last 10 years as to be a non-issue.

It is as absurd an argument as that in support of continued tax cuts for the wealthy so that small business doesn’t suffer.

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[quote=meadandale]
The irony is that this tax often hits the children of family owned farms…who end up having to sell the family property in order to pay the estate tax.[/quote]

That argument is for the benefit of the low-class voters of the Red States. The foot soldiers of the conservative movement who are willing to vote against their own best interests.

http://www.factcheck.org/article328.html

Neil Harl, an Iowa State University economist whose tax advice has made him a household name among Midwest farmers, said he had searched far and wide but had never found a case in which a farm was lost because of estate taxes. ”It’s a myth,” Mr. Harl said.

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[quote=meadandale]
The irony is that this tax often hits the children of family owned farms…who end up having to sell the family property in order to pay the estate tax.[/quote]

That argument is for the benefit of the low-class voters of the Red States. The foot soldiers of the conservative movement who are willing to vote against their own best interests.

http://www.factcheck.org/article328.html

Neil Harl, an Iowa State University economist whose tax advice has made him a household name among Midwest farmers, said he had searched far and wide but had never found a case in which a farm was lost because of estate taxes. ”It’s a myth,” Mr. Harl said.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
The irony is that this tax often hits the children of family owned farms…who end up having to sell the family property in order to pay the estate tax.[/quote]

That argument is for the benefit of the low-class voters of the Red States. The foot soldiers of the conservative movement who are willing to vote against their own best interests.

http://www.factcheck.org/article328.html

Neil Harl, an Iowa State University economist whose tax advice has made him a household name among Midwest farmers, said he had searched far and wide but had never found a case in which a farm was lost because of estate taxes. ”It’s a myth,” Mr. Harl said.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
The irony is that this tax often hits the children of family owned farms…who end up having to sell the family property in order to pay the estate tax.[/quote]

That argument is for the benefit of the low-class voters of the Red States. The foot soldiers of the conservative movement who are willing to vote against their own best interests.

http://www.factcheck.org/article328.html

Neil Harl, an Iowa State University economist whose tax advice has made him a household name among Midwest farmers, said he had searched far and wide but had never found a case in which a farm was lost because of estate taxes. ”It’s a myth,” Mr. Harl said.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
The irony is that this tax often hits the children of family owned farms…who end up having to sell the family property in order to pay the estate tax.[/quote]

That argument is for the benefit of the low-class voters of the Red States. The foot soldiers of the conservative movement who are willing to vote against their own best interests.

http://www.factcheck.org/article328.html

Neil Harl, an Iowa State University economist whose tax advice has made him a household name among Midwest farmers, said he had searched far and wide but had never found a case in which a farm was lost because of estate taxes. ”It’s a myth,” Mr. Harl said.

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[quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.

[briansd1]

[quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.

[briansd1]

[quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.

[briansd1]

[quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.

[briansd1]

[quote=deadzone]

Anyone who relies on their family for their financial well being is a loser in my book.[/quote]

I disagree.

A rich kid, if well brought up, is a better person because he was exposed to different experiences that people of lower means never saw.

To me, rich or poor, a loser is one who never sees anything outside of his own little world.

For example, Joe the Plumber is a loser. He’s low-income, doesn’t even hold a professional plumbling license. He lies and supports policies that are against his best interests. He clearly lacks education and critical thinking.

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[quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)

[DWCAP]

[quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)

[DWCAP]

[quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)

[DWCAP]

[quote=CA renter]
Are you honestly going to tell me that we had a choice when all the bailouts (trillions of dollars, and we have yet to see all the damage!) were passed to protect — and grow! — the wealth of the robber barons who decimated our society?

No, we do not have a choice, and the elite are NOT held responsible for the damage they inflict on our society. [/quote]

Your complete and total abdication of any responsibility on the part of voters for all of this is stunning. Each and every citizen most certainly do have a choice, and it is called a vote. You are allowed to cast it every few years, and it is secret and totally your own.

Buisness can only buy politicans you elect. If we elect politicans who refuse to be bought, and toss out the ones who are bought, then buisness’s power is moot. However we, as a people, allow ourselves to buy into the lame labels and political brand names which are fundementally no different from one another. Last time I checked every bailout passed chambers controlled by both parties. Infact, the only chamber to ever say ‘no’ was the Republican led revolt in the house, and that lasted all of a few days until the Republican party leadership was able to scare the crap out of the people saying ‘no’ and change the votes.

Dont like the bailouts, the TARP, the housing bubble and the endless deficits? VOTE, and vote the people who vote FOR this crap out. That is your choice, and that is something that no buisness can take from you. No matter how much money they spend, no buiness in America today can take your vote from you. Sadly this is a choice we seem not to exercise very well/often. (tossing people out of office)

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