Health Care tax hikes

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]Medicare and Social Security are existing programs. They have nothing to do with providing health care to all Americans.[/quote]
Pelosi et. al. have been calling them pillars analogous to what was just passed. As pillars, they leave a bit to be desired.

[quote=briansd1]
Who says a fast-food worker should have the same benefits as a business executive?

In America, there should be a minimum standard of health care for all. Minimum doesn’t mean the very best.

The rich executive is free to buy insurance or pay out of pocket for health care service at the Ritz Carlton if he wishes. Nobody is stopping him.

If the executive’s employer is giving him this very best health care as compensation, that compensation should be taxed.[/quote]

Well ok, sounds like we kind of agree on that.

Though I will say, the *tone* of the debate has been more towards homogenizing the benefits. Limiting what people make in salary/benefits. Demonizing folks that have been successful.

Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?

I’ve seen first hand where union folks actually *squashed* hard work, extra work, fast work. I don’t even *know* how they’d feel about creativity but literally based on what I saw, I don’t think they’d encourage it.

I really think you should consider the long term implications of actually getting what you think you want Brian.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Why couldn’t we have at least been budget neutral (but preferably with a surplus and a prediction of future surpluses) before embarking on this social engineering experiment?[/quote]

The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?

Was there any such debate and financial calculations before Bush went to War and spent a trillion dollars?

A preliminary cost estimate of the final legislation, released by the Congressional Budget Office on Thursday, showed that the president got almost exactly what he wanted: a $940 billion price tag for the new insurance coverage provisions in the bill, and the reduction of future federal deficits of $138 billion over 10 years.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Why couldn’t we have at least been budget neutral (but preferably with a surplus and a prediction of future surpluses) before embarking on this social engineering experiment?[/quote]

The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?

Was there any such debate and financial calculations before Bush went to War and spent a trillion dollars?

A preliminary cost estimate of the final legislation, released by the Congressional Budget Office on Thursday, showed that the president got almost exactly what he wanted: a $940 billion price tag for the new insurance coverage provisions in the bill, and the reduction of future federal deficits of $138 billion over 10 years.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Why couldn’t we have at least been budget neutral (but preferably with a surplus and a prediction of future surpluses) before embarking on this social engineering experiment?[/quote]

The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?

Was there any such debate and financial calculations before Bush went to War and spent a trillion dollars?

A preliminary cost estimate of the final legislation, released by the Congressional Budget Office on Thursday, showed that the president got almost exactly what he wanted: a $940 billion price tag for the new insurance coverage provisions in the bill, and the reduction of future federal deficits of $138 billion over 10 years.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Why couldn’t we have at least been budget neutral (but preferably with a surplus and a prediction of future surpluses) before embarking on this social engineering experiment?[/quote]

The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?

Was there any such debate and financial calculations before Bush went to War and spent a trillion dollars?

A preliminary cost estimate of the final legislation, released by the Congressional Budget Office on Thursday, showed that the president got almost exactly what he wanted: a $940 billion price tag for the new insurance coverage provisions in the bill, and the reduction of future federal deficits of $138 billion over 10 years.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Why couldn’t we have at least been budget neutral (but preferably with a surplus and a prediction of future surpluses) before embarking on this social engineering experiment?[/quote]

The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?

Was there any such debate and financial calculations before Bush went to War and spent a trillion dollars?

A preliminary cost estimate of the final legislation, released by the Congressional Budget Office on Thursday, showed that the president got almost exactly what he wanted: a $940 billion price tag for the new insurance coverage provisions in the bill, and the reduction of future federal deficits of $138 billion over 10 years.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?[/quote]
Well, let’s check back in 10 years and see who was right. Or, barring that, let’s try to remember this discussion. If I’m wrong, 10 years from now (March 25, 2020) I’ll hoist a drink in your honor. In front of all my friends, with my obscenely overpriced chardonnay in one hand, I’ll say “briansd1 was right!”.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?[/quote]
Well, let’s check back in 10 years and see who was right. Or, barring that, let’s try to remember this discussion. If I’m wrong, 10 years from now (March 25, 2020) I’ll hoist a drink in your honor. In front of all my friends, with my obscenely overpriced chardonnay in one hand, I’ll say “briansd1 was right!”.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?[/quote]
Well, let’s check back in 10 years and see who was right. Or, barring that, let’s try to remember this discussion. If I’m wrong, 10 years from now (March 25, 2020) I’ll hoist a drink in your honor. In front of all my friends, with my obscenely overpriced chardonnay in one hand, I’ll say “briansd1 was right!”.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?[/quote]
Well, let’s check back in 10 years and see who was right. Or, barring that, let’s try to remember this discussion. If I’m wrong, 10 years from now (March 25, 2020) I’ll hoist a drink in your honor. In front of all my friends, with my obscenely overpriced chardonnay in one hand, I’ll say “briansd1 was right!”.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]The legislation is more than budget neutral. It saves money. Granted, the CBO numbers are only estimates. But what else do you want?[/quote]
Well, let’s check back in 10 years and see who was right. Or, barring that, let’s try to remember this discussion. If I’m wrong, 10 years from now (March 25, 2020) I’ll hoist a drink in your honor. In front of all my friends, with my obscenely overpriced chardonnay in one hand, I’ll say “briansd1 was right!”.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?[/quote]

Who ever said that everyone should earn the same income?

Germany has socialized medicine and they innovate very well. You know… Mercedes and Porsche.

Taiwan has a single payer system and they innovate very well. In fact Taiwanese businessmen own the Chinese factories than make the stuff we import from China.

Korea has great innovative products and their products keep on getting better. Did you hear of LG cosmetics?

France has plenty of rich folks living luxurious lives.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?[/quote]

Who ever said that everyone should earn the same income?

Germany has socialized medicine and they innovate very well. You know… Mercedes and Porsche.

Taiwan has a single payer system and they innovate very well. In fact Taiwanese businessmen own the Chinese factories than make the stuff we import from China.

Korea has great innovative products and their products keep on getting better. Did you hear of LG cosmetics?

France has plenty of rich folks living luxurious lives.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?[/quote]

Who ever said that everyone should earn the same income?

Germany has socialized medicine and they innovate very well. You know… Mercedes and Porsche.

Taiwan has a single payer system and they innovate very well. In fact Taiwanese businessmen own the Chinese factories than make the stuff we import from China.

Korea has great innovative products and their products keep on getting better. Did you hear of LG cosmetics?

France has plenty of rich folks living luxurious lives.

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain]
Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?[/quote]

Who ever said that everyone should earn the same income?

Germany has socialized medicine and they innovate very well. You know… Mercedes and Porsche.

Taiwan has a single payer system and they innovate very well. In fact Taiwanese businessmen own the Chinese factories than make the stuff we import from China.

Korea has great innovative products and their products keep on getting better. Did you hear of LG cosmetics?

France has plenty of rich folks living luxurious lives.

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