Health Care tax hikes

[briansd1]

[quote=KSMountain] Someone (maybe you) called Medicare and Soc. Security “bedrock” programs. Oh yeah? [/quote]

Medicare and Social Security are existing programs. They have nothing to do with providing health care to all Americans.

If Republicans want to reform Medicare and Social Security, why don’t they put forward some proposals?

[quote=KSMountain]
When you say “deny millions of americans healthcare”… shouldn’t the system be set up to reward hard work? Should a Jack-in-the-box fryer refiller with 2 weeks experience *REALLY* get the same healthcare as say someone who worked 30 years, proved themselves as a leader, and now has 1000 people reporting to them? Really? Is that really what you believe? Shouldn’t there be an incentive to get out of Jack-in-the-box before you start a family?[/quote]

Who says a fast-food worker should have the same benefits as a business executive?

In America, there should be a minimum standard of health care for all. Minimum doesn’t mean the very best.

The rich executive is free to buy insurance or pay out of pocket for health care service at the Ritz Carlton if he wishes. Nobody is stopping him.

If the executive’s employer is giving him this very best health care as compensation, that compensation should be taxed.

[KSMountain]

Here’s a little backup for the “retiring 50 year old hairdressers” claim:

[KSMountain]

Here’s a little backup for the “retiring 50 year old hairdressers” claim:

[KSMountain]

Here’s a little backup for the “retiring 50 year old hairdressers” claim:

[KSMountain]

Here’s a little backup for the “retiring 50 year old hairdressers” claim:

[KSMountain]

Here’s a little backup for the “retiring 50 year old hairdressers” claim:

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mercedes7]
Are you only referring to US citizens?[/quote]

All US citizens is a first step.

All those who reside in America should be brought into contributing economically and they should enjoy health care benefits.

Americans who live and work in Europe certainly enjoy health care benefits over there.[/quote]

ok, so I take it you are for free health care for illegal immigrants as well?

You know the idea of being able to care for anyone and everyone who presents with a health care need sounds wonderful. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons our health care costs have become astronomical.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mercedes7]
Are you only referring to US citizens?[/quote]

All US citizens is a first step.

All those who reside in America should be brought into contributing economically and they should enjoy health care benefits.

Americans who live and work in Europe certainly enjoy health care benefits over there.[/quote]

ok, so I take it you are for free health care for illegal immigrants as well?

You know the idea of being able to care for anyone and everyone who presents with a health care need sounds wonderful. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons our health care costs have become astronomical.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mercedes7]
Are you only referring to US citizens?[/quote]

All US citizens is a first step.

All those who reside in America should be brought into contributing economically and they should enjoy health care benefits.

Americans who live and work in Europe certainly enjoy health care benefits over there.[/quote]

ok, so I take it you are for free health care for illegal immigrants as well?

You know the idea of being able to care for anyone and everyone who presents with a health care need sounds wonderful. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons our health care costs have become astronomical.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mercedes7]
Are you only referring to US citizens?[/quote]

All US citizens is a first step.

All those who reside in America should be brought into contributing economically and they should enjoy health care benefits.

Americans who live and work in Europe certainly enjoy health care benefits over there.[/quote]

ok, so I take it you are for free health care for illegal immigrants as well?

You know the idea of being able to care for anyone and everyone who presents with a health care need sounds wonderful. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons our health care costs have become astronomical.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mercedes7]
Are you only referring to US citizens?[/quote]

All US citizens is a first step.

All those who reside in America should be brought into contributing economically and they should enjoy health care benefits.

Americans who live and work in Europe certainly enjoy health care benefits over there.[/quote]

ok, so I take it you are for free health care for illegal immigrants as well?

You know the idea of being able to care for anyone and everyone who presents with a health care need sounds wonderful. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons our health care costs have become astronomical.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]Medicare and Social Security are existing programs. They have nothing to do with providing health care to all Americans.[/quote]
Pelosi et. al. have been calling them pillars analogous to what was just passed. As pillars, they leave a bit to be desired.

[quote=briansd1]
Who says a fast-food worker should have the same benefits as a business executive?

In America, there should be a minimum standard of health care for all. Minimum doesn’t mean the very best.

The rich executive is free to buy insurance or pay out of pocket for health care service at the Ritz Carlton if he wishes. Nobody is stopping him.

If the executive’s employer is giving him this very best health care as compensation, that compensation should be taxed.[/quote]

Well ok, sounds like we kind of agree on that.

Though I will say, the *tone* of the debate has been more towards homogenizing the benefits. Limiting what people make in salary/benefits. Demonizing folks that have been successful.

Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?

I’ve seen first hand where union folks actually *squashed* hard work, extra work, fast work. I don’t even *know* how they’d feel about creativity but literally based on what I saw, I don’t think they’d encourage it.

I really think you should consider the long term implications of actually getting what you think you want Brian.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]Medicare and Social Security are existing programs. They have nothing to do with providing health care to all Americans.[/quote]
Pelosi et. al. have been calling them pillars analogous to what was just passed. As pillars, they leave a bit to be desired.

[quote=briansd1]
Who says a fast-food worker should have the same benefits as a business executive?

In America, there should be a minimum standard of health care for all. Minimum doesn’t mean the very best.

The rich executive is free to buy insurance or pay out of pocket for health care service at the Ritz Carlton if he wishes. Nobody is stopping him.

If the executive’s employer is giving him this very best health care as compensation, that compensation should be taxed.[/quote]

Well ok, sounds like we kind of agree on that.

Though I will say, the *tone* of the debate has been more towards homogenizing the benefits. Limiting what people make in salary/benefits. Demonizing folks that have been successful.

Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?

I’ve seen first hand where union folks actually *squashed* hard work, extra work, fast work. I don’t even *know* how they’d feel about creativity but literally based on what I saw, I don’t think they’d encourage it.

I really think you should consider the long term implications of actually getting what you think you want Brian.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]Medicare and Social Security are existing programs. They have nothing to do with providing health care to all Americans.[/quote]
Pelosi et. al. have been calling them pillars analogous to what was just passed. As pillars, they leave a bit to be desired.

[quote=briansd1]
Who says a fast-food worker should have the same benefits as a business executive?

In America, there should be a minimum standard of health care for all. Minimum doesn’t mean the very best.

The rich executive is free to buy insurance or pay out of pocket for health care service at the Ritz Carlton if he wishes. Nobody is stopping him.

If the executive’s employer is giving him this very best health care as compensation, that compensation should be taxed.[/quote]

Well ok, sounds like we kind of agree on that.

Though I will say, the *tone* of the debate has been more towards homogenizing the benefits. Limiting what people make in salary/benefits. Demonizing folks that have been successful.

Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?

I’ve seen first hand where union folks actually *squashed* hard work, extra work, fast work. I don’t even *know* how they’d feel about creativity but literally based on what I saw, I don’t think they’d encourage it.

I really think you should consider the long term implications of actually getting what you think you want Brian.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]Medicare and Social Security are existing programs. They have nothing to do with providing health care to all Americans.[/quote]
Pelosi et. al. have been calling them pillars analogous to what was just passed. As pillars, they leave a bit to be desired.

[quote=briansd1]
Who says a fast-food worker should have the same benefits as a business executive?

In America, there should be a minimum standard of health care for all. Minimum doesn’t mean the very best.

The rich executive is free to buy insurance or pay out of pocket for health care service at the Ritz Carlton if he wishes. Nobody is stopping him.

If the executive’s employer is giving him this very best health care as compensation, that compensation should be taxed.[/quote]

Well ok, sounds like we kind of agree on that.

Though I will say, the *tone* of the debate has been more towards homogenizing the benefits. Limiting what people make in salary/benefits. Demonizing folks that have been successful.

Imagine that the rich-haters fully got their way. Imagine a society where everyone made exactly the same income. Why would anyone try hard at work? Why even go to college? How much innovation would there be?

I’ve seen first hand where union folks actually *squashed* hard work, extra work, fast work. I don’t even *know* how they’d feel about creativity but literally based on what I saw, I don’t think they’d encourage it.

I really think you should consider the long term implications of actually getting what you think you want Brian.

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