H1-B observations

[Coronita]

[quote=no_such_reality]What you described flu is the way H1-B is supposed to work, staffing of a position with niche or difficult to find skills. When you look across the country how many do you see like them?

As opposed to were I’ve see many h1bs, windows support engineer III or the equivalent.

I have no concerns with the program being used for niche requirements, I do when it’s used for rank and file.[/quote]

Again. I am sure the abuse does happen. But personally, I haven’t experienced or witnessed it from the employers I have been at. I see a lot more emphasis on companies moving the entire operation abroad, which is what it think people need to be concerned about if they are really concerned about job security.

And those firmware engineering positions. No one has even bothered to apply. We haven’t even gotten to the salary negotiation stages, because I am sure if there was a viable candidate, Wed probably cut a pretty large package.

As far as lateral move svelte, plenty of people do it. I just did. No pay increase
.maybe even a slight pay cut.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=lifeisgood] I do blame any company that goes through the motions of interviewing qualified Americans just to hire someone out of country to pay them less. By the way, so no one gets their panties in a bunch, I know and understand that H1-B’s are compensated well. I’m sure that it’s not as high as skilled workers in their positions would be making had the program not existed. If the companies didn’t benefit financially, then what’s the point. No will ever lead me to believe that we don’t have enough highly intelligient American citizens to pick from.
[/quote]

No question that engineers will be making more if H1-B program did not exist. It is a simple demand & supply equation.
The companies are obviously benefiting financially with H1-B, at the cost of intelligent americans who will not work for the wages offered by these un-american companies. Even your elected representatives are in their pocket i.e. un-american.
The shareholders of these companies always demand higher value for a lower operating expense… but never demand that these companies hire intelligent americans… they are un-american too.
Since you said this will affect your vote, why don’t you check the record of your representative in either house on this issue?
Since you so strongly “believe”, you could vote with your wallet too by not investing in such companies.

[svelte]

[quote=flu]
As far as lateral move svelte, plenty of people do it. I just did. No pay increase
.maybe even a slight pay cut.[/quote]

And you did it for stability as I said, no?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=lifeisgood] We have many problems with immigration. I’m just bringing up one. We can site many examples of abuse and talk about this countries demise till we’re blue in the face. I was recently introduced to the H1-B process and started doing a little research. I saw it as a problem that deserved hearing other peoples opinions on. I chose to bring it up here so that I could speak to highly intelligent educated people. By no means am I saying that this is my only immigration concern. I might be one of the few that is hanging onto the hope that this country can become great again.

It feels like all I’ve heard about over the last few years is how if someone is offended by something, we should immediately change it. Ever heard about teamwork? A little of that and we wouldn’t need to find skilled workers from outside the country. This country is made up of to many individuals. I would love to witness a day before I die where Americans could believe again that this is the best damn country in the world. Whatever happened to leaving history as history, learning from our mistakes but not forgetting them? It took the white house one day to shine a rainbow on the building, but five days to lower a flag for military personnel killed by a crazy brain washed idiot. [/quote]

You seem to hold the notion the America is not as great as we could be because have a skilled immigrants program.

I feel the opposite. We are great because we welcome skilled and unskilled immigrants to provide them a better life and in the same process grow our economy.

Erecting barriers would mean that we have ossified, are not confident and forward-looking.

Sounds like you want to preserve a certain lifestyle. But you’re wrong. You have to embrace change and adapt with the world.

Beyond the US, there is real life data to prove the benefits of immigration. Back the 1990s, and early 2000s, Germany was the sick man of Europe. But they did a 180 and reformed. Now, Germany has the second highest immigration rate in the world, and it’s a much stronger economy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/16/us-germany-immigrants-idUSKBN0MC10R20150316
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4516602c-e025-11e3-b709-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3gqC8dGoN

[spdrun]

When in the last 200 years has America not been based on immigration? We’re still below peak as far as foreign-born residents.

The period 1940-1990 was an anomaly.

Census foreign-born residents

[FlyerInHi]

That’s right, spd. That’s that why America is great. We cannot “Make America great again” by erecting strong immigration barriers.

But Germany? Imagine homogeneous Germany?! They now understand the economic benefits of immigration.

Japan still hasn’t gotten the memo. They are withering slowly.

[all]

The market is truly global. I work at a small company and I coordinate with or lead people working in 8 different time zones. I wish I had some of those guys in the office with me, but few that I did ask were not interested in relocating to the US.

So, the alternative to an H1B worker sitting in a cubicle here is the same guy sitting in a cubicle overseas working for you (if you are lucky), or competing with you. The article the OP posted says as much – 70% of the work is being offshored.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=all]The market is truly global. I work at a small company and I coordinate with or lead people working in 8 different time zones. I wish I had some of those guys in the office with me, but few that I did ask were not interested in relocating to the US.

So, the alternative to an H1B worker sitting in a cubicle here is the same guy sitting in a cubicle overseas working for you (if you are lucky), or competing with you. The article the OP posted says as much – 70% of the work is being offshored.[/quote]

Yea, that’s been the story at the last five companies I’ve been at. Of course, the USA staff is expected to suck up the gaps at the moment since availability out of the office in many of those locations is poor, but the work is going, actually, like manufacturing, it’s largely gone. The mid-level guys don’t really exist on shore anymore because we quit hiring on-shore entry level guys 5-10 years ago.

The model going forward is simple:
1) exploit niche to high level
2) exit niche when commoditizes
3) retrain to new niche

or exit the line of work and move to something else, however medical, accounting, any skilled profession is going the way of global commodity.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]
As far as lateral move svelte, plenty of people do it. I just did. No pay increase
.maybe even a slight pay cut.[/quote]

And you did it for stability as I said, no?[/quote]

Yes, me personally, but plenty of people did it well before this “stability” issue came up. I think some of them did it because they thought Q had a bigger name alone, because we use to top whatever Q offered (I guess not anymore), and in a last ditch effort to keep those folks, pay never came up as an issue back then. Q wasn’t even offering signon RSUs toward the later years of their hiring for some folks in certain groups where they went. Seems like they were selling them on a vision of being at the Q was worth something considerably more. Sort of an ironic twist, that those guys are in the dept that are going to be cut the most i think.

[equalizer]

I once knew a guy who worked for companies as a contractor doing software engineering. He had really bad experience with contracting company, ending up crazy people (with heavy accents)kept suing him, he had to hire lawyers, a complete nightmare. Definitely needed to hire Jax Teller and Walter White to uhm negotiate with these people.

Then had bad experience with training H1B and salary decline that he blamed on the H1Bs. Like a moron, I stated that well at least they pay local taxes here as opposed to working overseas. That went over like a lead pipe. “Da** foreigners ruining quality of life”

Here is the kicker. No, he wasn’t waving the confederate flag cause he was Asian who had come to US on a student visa.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=equalizer]

Then had bad experience with training H1B and salary decline that he blamed on the H1Bs. Like a moron, I stated that well at least they pay local taxes here as opposed to working overseas. That went over like a lead pipe. “Da** foreigners ruining quality of life”

Here is the kicker. No, he wasn’t waving the confederate flag cause he was Asian who had come to US on a student visa.[/quote]

Keep in mind that if he was on a student visa, then he must have been an H1-b himself for a while before getting his green card.

His rant was probably against H1-b users who did not go to U.S. Schools – not against the visa itself because he probably used it too…

[fun4vnay2]

I see a lot of opportunities for later move and may be a small pay cut as well

Stability is a relative term.

QCOM used to be a permanent employer….

[FlyerInHi]

There was a piece in nyyimes about the changing nature of work and employers wanting specialized skills.
Immigration is not causing that. But the demand for H1-B is a function of that change.

People should save their money during their good earning years and payoff houses, build investments, etc because there is no guarantee of ever improving career prospects.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]. . . People should save their money during their good earning years and payoff houses, build investments, etc because there is no guarantee of ever improving career prospects.[/quote]

Excellent advice, FIH, but I doubt many will take it, no matter WHO the audience is that you’re suggesting this to :=(

It involves foregoing of major consumption, which is too painful for the masses to implement.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi].

Excellent advice, FIH, but I doubt many will take it, no matter WHO the audience is that you’re suggesting this to :=(

It involves foregoing of major consumption, which is too painful for the masses to implement.[/quote]

Why do all that? Let’s blame foreigners

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