H1-B observations

[lifeisgood]

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[FlyerInHi]

That’s true, spd, but reform that would be very contentious.

I know an H1-B who was laid-off. But her generous employer continued to pay her 1/2 salary and allowed her to use company resources to complete the green card process and find another job.

[lifeisgood]

[quote=dumbrenter]If you really want to educate yourself and not “believe”, you could take a short drive to SDSU or UCSD, park by the engineering school and look at who is there. It will become very clear to you (in less than 15 mins) about the ‘kinds’ of graduates being pumped out of there. They do not look too dissimilar from what you will see when you park yourself by Scranton Rd. Then, hopefully, you will ask yourself the more relevant question: Why are engineering schools not “pumping out” enough americans ?
And if you think that is bad, park yourself by the business schools and watch!

These workers care as much about your country as you care about the country of origin on all parts of the car you buy or the shopping you do.

I have never met one American who refuses to buy avocados from CA because of the abuse and horrible work conditions of the avocado pickers. They are of course “patriotic” and against illegal immigration, but hey, why do you think those things go for $0.99 a piece? Magic?
H1-B is no different.

[quote=lifeisgood]http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-visas-tech-workers-h1b-20150217-story.html

Hello everyone! I haven’t posted in awhile. I need some educated opinions so that I can open my mind up about the feeling I have towards the broken H1-B visa program. I currently believe that the system is being abused. San Diego is a breeding ground for this program due to the tech jobs that are available. I live in Rancho Bernardo and so do many H1-B visa holders. I find it hard to believe that companies like Qualcomm and others can’t find qualified Americans to fill their positions of need. In SD alone there are two Engineering schools pumping out graduates every year. I also believe that these companies know they can hire immigrants, that come from countries with no worker protections such as overtime pay and scheduled break time, and overwork them and pay them less than an American worker would agree to. I think it’s a shame. Most of theses workers could care less about the United States and are here solely for personal gain. If you disagree with me, please let me know. I’m trying to get different points of view so that I can have a well rounded opinion. With the upcoming Presidential election, this will be a topic that will sway my vote. Thanks for your responses in advance.[/quote][/quote]

What kind of graduates are they pumping out? What are you getting at? I’m assuming that they are pumping out engineers. Am I wrong? We have many problems with immigration. I’m just bringing up one. We can site many examples of abuse and talk about this countries demise till we’re blue in the face. I was recently introduced to the H1-B process and started doing a little research. I saw it as a problem that deserved hearing other peoples opinions on. I chose to bring it up here so that I could speak to highly intelligent educated people. By no means am I saying that this is my only immigration concern. I might be one of the few that is hanging onto the hope that this country can become great again.

It feels like all I’ve heard about over the last few years is how if someone is offended by something, we should immediately change it. Ever heard about teamwork? A little of that and we wouldn’t need to find skilled workers from outside the country. This country is made up of to many individuals. I would love to witness a day before I die where Americans could believe again that this is the best damn country in the world. Whatever happened to leaving history as history, learning from our mistakes but not forgetting them? It took the white house one day to shine a rainbow on the building, but five days to lower a flag for military personnel killed by a crazy brain washed idiot. Rant off.

I really do appreciate everyone’s opinions! I’m sure that if we pieced everything on this post together, we could come up with one hell of an argument. thanks again!

[spdrun]

Sure, but that employer is one of the 5% of decent companies. The rest are scum.

[spdrun]

It feels like all I’ve heard about over the last few years is how if someone is offended by something, we should immediately change it. Ever heard about teamwork? A little of that and we wouldn’t need to find skilled workers from outside the country. This country is made up of to many individuals. I would love to witness a day before I die where Americans could believe again that this is the best damn country in the world. Whatever happened to leaving history as history, learning from our mistakes but not forgetting them? It took the white house one day to shine a rainbow on the building, but five days to lower a flag for military personnel killed by a crazy brain washed idiot. Rant off.

Agreed about the US flag after the military shootings.

But I have no problem with reform of policing or criminal justice. Those are things long overdue. Nor do I have a problem with marriage equality. Anything that increases civil rights in the US is a good thing in my book.

There are plenty of things in legitimate need of reform, and the individuals calling for reform are doing this country a great service.

And some of us aren’t good at teamwork. I prefer to be a lone wolf. Or a tiger, as the case may be.

[Anonymous]

[quote=flu][quote=deadzone]

What lifisgood is pointing out, correctly in my opinion, is that it is bullshit to believe the U.S. does not pump out enough engineering grads who are US citizens. There is no evidence to support this. So then how do you explain rampant hiring of H1bs and pro-HIB propaganda by the tech industry? Obviously they do this to save money so overall they are being paid less. This is obvious on the larger scale, regardless of the tiny sample size from flu’s work place.

By the way, of course these immigrants are coming to work here for their own benefit, not for any “love” of US. That is the same for low wage workers from Mexico. They are coming here for the mighty dollar and so they can experience the joy of our consumerism based society. The vast majority would prefer to live in their own country and their own culture, speaking their native language. But, people are greedy and like money.[/quote]

(Faceplant) Deadzone. Back when times were good, Qualcomm Staff Engineers were bringing in around $200k/year (H1-B or not). If you consider that low pay, please let me know how much you make for equivalent skillset. Also, if you think that is a lot, why didn’t you apply if you felt you could have been hired?

Also, what was the most “patriotic” thing that you have done the past month? (taking a vacation on July 4th doesn’t count)…[/quote]

Not sure how your response relates to my point that the idea (propaganda) that there are not enough US engineering grads is bullshit. 200K salary for engineer? Yes that is extraordinarily high, I pointed out that majority of engineers don’t make anywhere near that. Who thinks that is low? If I made 200K salary, I could afford to buy a house in ANY neighborhood in San Diego.

What’s up with the Patriot rant? Sounds like you’ve been watching to much Fox news. I pointed out that immigrants by and large come here for our money and consumerism, that is an obvious fact. My personal patriotism for the U.S. is irrelevant to this discussion.

[lifeisgood]

[quote=spdrun]

It feels like all I’ve heard about over the last few years is how if someone is offended by something, we should immediately change it. Ever heard about teamwork? A little of that and we wouldn’t need to find skilled workers from outside the country. This country is made up of to many individuals. I would love to witness a day before I die where Americans could believe again that this is the best damn country in the world. Whatever happened to leaving history as history, learning from our mistakes but not forgetting them? It took the white house one day to shine a rainbow on the building, but five days to lower a flag for military personnel killed by a crazy brain washed idiot. Rant off.

Agreed about the US flag after the military shootings.

But I have no problem with reform of policing or criminal justice. Those are things long overdue. Nor do I have a problem with marriage equality. Anything that increases civil rights in the US is a good thing in my book.

There are plenty of things in legitimate need of reform, and the individuals calling for reform are doing this country a great service.

And some of us aren’t good at teamwork. I prefer to be a lone wolf. Or a tiger, as the case may be.[/quote]

No problem with reform here either. I’m on board with everything you just said. Thanks for agreeing with me! That doesn’t mean we need to rewrite the history books because the American past offends someone.

[spdrun]

Thanks! My point was that people being offended instead of going with the flow is the first step in reform. Maybe I misunderstood you.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]Agreed about the US flag after the military shootings.
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Don’t agree. Do we lower the flag for every shooting?
Some things are best left as local news.

[Coronita]

[quote=deadzone]

Not sure how your response relates to my point that the idea (propaganda) that there are not enough US engineering grads is bullshit. 200K salary for engineer? Yes that is extraordinarily high, I pointed out that majority of engineers don’t make anywhere near that. Who thinks that is low? If I made 200K salary, I could afford to buy a house in ANY neighborhood in San Diego.

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If you believe that the reason for H1-B’s exist because solely to exploit having cheap labor, then you’ll agree that H1-B staff engineers that pull in $200k/year are “cheap” and stealing job opportunities away from you that you would be able to apply for. Afterall, if that weren’t the case, why would the company being paying an H1-B staff engineer close to $200k if they were really trying to exploit H1-B’s cheaper cost. Is there some H1-B abuse, yes absolutely. Is it rampant everywhere, nope. Are there skill shortages in some skills, absolutely. If you’re an java J2EE developer, is there a skills shortage? Absolutely not.

[quote]
What’s up with the Patriot rant? Sounds like you’ve been watching to much Fox news. I pointed out that immigrants by and large come here for our money and consumerism, that is an obvious fact. My personal patriotism for the U.S. is irrelevant to this discussion.[/quote]

I never watch fox news… You were the one that went on the rant about

[quote]By the way, of course these immigrants are coming to work here for their own benefit, not for any “love” of US[/quote]

How much of the US do you “love” that isn’t tied to your own benefit? I’m just merely pointing out the hypocrisy of apparently this viewpoint that immigrant seem to need to come here for something “of love this country beyond for personal gain”. How many people here are motivated to do something only for the “love of this country” and not personal gain?

[spdrun]

Maybe. There’s something to be said for giving minimal national “air time” for mass shooters. Publicity encourages copycats.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=lifeisgood]That doesn’t mean we need to rewrite the history books because the American past offends someone.[/quote]

If you’re referring to the Confederate flag, the preponderance of historians agree that the Civil War was fought over slavery and the Confederate flag is offensive. That flag was also the standard of anti civil rights diehards beginning in the 1940s when it got a revival of sorts.

Sorry, but winners get to write history. If anything, the Union was too generous to the South.

[spdrun]

I don’t have a problem with private use of the Confederate battle flag. Want to hang it in front of your house, make a video game with it, run a marathon wrapped in it? Fine. Freedom of expression.

But government organizations shouldn’t be using it. They only started using it in the 1940s as a protest against Supreme Court decisions mandating integration, so it’s a really awkward and offensive symbol for a government that’s supposed to serve all of its citizens equally to be using.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]
But government organizations shouldn’t be using it. They only started using it in the 1940s as a protest against Supreme Court decisions mandating integration, so it’s a really awkward and offensive symbol for a government that’s supposed to serve all of its citizens equally to be using.[/quote]

yes.

And we should also mention all the monuments state governments and localities built to commemorate pretty reprehensible Confederate figures. Those monuments should come down.

[lifeisgood]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]
But government organizations shouldn’t be using it. They only started using it in the 1940s as a protest against Supreme Court decisions mandating integration, so it’s a really awkward and offensive symbol for a government that’s supposed to serve all of its citizens equally to be using.[/quote]

yes.

And we should also mention all the monuments state governments and localities built to commemorate pretty reprehensible Confederate figures. Those monuments should come down.[/quote]

And we should take down all monuments in D.C. who represent a president that ever owned slaves. Or MLK statues because he slept with prostitutes and that offends people. And all places of worship for Jewish people because the Jews killed Christ. Blah Blah Blah. This is exactly what I’m talking about when I say we jump to change everything that offends someone. It’s history. Let’s not burn all the books to erase our past. Just sayin.

When does it stop?

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