Electoral College: the disenfranchisement of Californians

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Hobie][quote]I would argue that a typical silicon valley engineer would be smarter than an oil drill worker in North Dakota.[/quote]

Seriously? The dripping arrogance and elitism of this post makes me ill.

By the way, there is no such thing as an ‘oil drill’.
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Objectively the guy with the higher academic credentials is smarter. Nothing to feel ill about. That’s just the way we define things. Maybe unfair or not that humane but we like objective measures.[/quote]That doesn’t mean he/she is superior and deserves more rights than someone working in the oil fields.

BTW, those young oilfield workers make enough cash to be set for life in about 7-8 years (if they work FT and will travel at whim wherever they are needed). They can save almost their entire paycheck because the contractors they work for put them up at local hotels or company-owned mobile homes and give them a per-diem for meals. And they aren’t typically stationed close to cities where they can easily spend loads of money. Most of them get one sit-down restaurant meal and catch a movie in a small town each week and then it’s back to work. It’s a GREAT way for a non-college-educated male (need to be very strong) to get way ahead in life at a young age. Especially one who can’t afford to finish college without taking out loans.

[bearishgurl]

Umm, how are we going to support all these illegal immigrants if CA should successfully “secede” from the union? There goes the SNAP (food stamp) and free school breakfast and lunch programs (USDA funded). Illegals are major beneficiaries of these programs.

Haha, all those in favor of seceding must agree to take all of our illegals with you :=]

[spdrun]

California is a net contributor to the Federal budget. They’d be able to self-fund replacement programs for school lunches if their money wasn’t stolen by Warshington.

Also, CA could legalize all of the illegal immigrants presently within its borders and have them work for regular wages ($15+/hr).

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=utcsox]
The divide is not between the red states and the blue states; it is between the metropolitan areas and the countryside.[/quote]

Yes. In red states, the sizable cities are all blue enclaves.

And talking about disrespect, the country and exurban folks always disparage the city as unsafe, crime ridden… etc. They want to tell us how to live. Do we tell them? No. We don’t couldn’t care less about how they live. They are not even in out frame of mind.

The country folks are not affected by immigration, yet they fear it most. We embrace it.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bearishgurl] That doesn’t mean he/she is superior and deserves more rights than someone working in the oil fields.

BTW, those young oilfield workers make enough cash to be set for life in about 7-8 years (if they work FT and will travel at whim wherever they are needed). They can save almost their entire paycheck because the contractors they work for put them up at local hotels or company-owned mobile homes and give them a per-diem for meals. And they aren’t typically stationed close to cities where they can easily spend loads of money. Most of them get one sit-down restaurant meal and catch a movie in a small town each week and then it’s back to work. It’s a GREAT way for a non-college-educated male (need to be very strong) to get way ahead in life at a young age. Especially one who can’t afford to finish college without taking out loans.[/quote]

so life is good… what’s the bitching about?
Why should the roughnecks feel miffed or dissed by the city folks if they are making good money and can be set for life in 7-8 years.

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Hobie][quote]I would argue that a typical silicon valley engineer would be smarter than an oil drill worker in North Dakota.[/quote]

Seriously? The dripping arrogance and elitism of this post makes me ill.

By the way, there is no such thing as an ‘oil drill’.
[/quote]

Objectively the guy with the higher academic credentials is smarter. Nothing to feel ill about. That’s just the way we define things. Maybe unfair or not that humane but we like objective measures.[/quote]Book smart or street smart?

[Anonymous]

[quote=spdrun]California is a net contributor to the Federal budget. They’d be able to self-fund replacement programs for school lunches if their money wasn’t stolen by Warshington.
[/quote]

Exactly,

If we didn’t have to pay for Billy Bob’s farm subsidy in Iowa, we could fund all of our illegals and still have money left over to build a gigantic golden statue of Howard Jarvis.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=spdrun]California is a net contributor to the Federal budget. They’d be able to self-fund replacement programs for school lunches if their money wasn’t stolen by Warshington.

Also, CA could legalize all of the illegal immigrants presently within its borders and have them work for regular wages ($15+/hr).[/quote]Since they won’t be “building a wall,” how are they going to stop millions more pouring across the border? After all, the US will withdraw its border forces if CA doesn’t belong to them anymore :=]

[Anonymous]

After California succeeds, BG will be the one person in CA still filling out her 1040 every April.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=harvey][quote=spdrun]California is a net contributor to the Federal budget. They’d be able to self-fund replacement programs for school lunches if their money wasn’t stolen by Warshington.
[/quote]

Exactly,

If we didn’t have to pay for Billy Bob’s farm subsidy in Iowa, we could fund all of our illegals and still have money left over to build a gigantic golden statue of Howard Jarvis.[/quote]Umm, pri_dk? You forgot to consider Guillermo Roberto’s farm subsidy in Buttonwillow to stop growing avocados and pears . . . or Juan Villegas in Hanford’s subsidy because he had to thin his chickens out under CA’s recent law to address “poultry overcrowding” brought before the CA Legislature by the ASPCA :=]

How is the new “CA Republic” going to help these poor schmucks?

Do you have any idea how many farmers in CA are being currently paid by Federal gubment not to grow or produce anything?

[Anonymous]

Another poster correctly stated:

[quote]California is a net contributor to the Federal budget.[/quote]

Please understand what that means before you go on embarrassing yourself.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi] . . . The country folks are not affected by immigration, yet they fear it most. We embrace it.[/quote]This is absolutely untrue. Virtually ALL of the agricultural jobs that illegal immigrants take are in the rural areas. The legal citizens in those areas don’t “fear” these people but this immigrant group does often find themselves needing medical care and food/commodity aid and even food and blankets and utility assistance (cost of heat). The local area must bear the cost of this, organize the food and clothing drives and charities to help them.

Have you any idea how much it costs to heat a drafty rental farmhouse with 12 occupants in Kersey, CO (Weld County) in the dead of winter?? That cost is just the tip of the iceberg for Weld County taxpayers, the State of CO and the “Public Service Company of CO.”

[bearishgurl]

The same could be said for the (mainly Taiwanese) Tyson Foods employees in rural AR. Even though most of these workers are “legal” and AR has warmer weather than CO, these workers still need a LOT of local aid for their families to survive.

Immigrant workers have a profound (financial) effect on rural America.

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Hobie][quote]I would argue that a typical silicon valley engineer would be smarter than an oil drill worker in North Dakota.[/quote]

Seriously? The dripping arrogance and elitism of this post makes me ill.

By the way, there is no such thing as an ‘oil drill’.
[/quote]

Objectively the guy with the higher academic credentials is smarter. Nothing to feel ill about. That’s just the way we define things. Maybe unfair or not that humane but we like objective measures.[/quote]That doesn’t mean he/she is superior and deserves more rights than someone working in the oil fields.

BTW, those young oilfield workers make enough cash to be set for life in about 7-8 years (if they work FT and will travel at whim wherever they are needed). They can save almost their entire paycheck because the contractors they work for put them up at local hotels or company-owned mobile homes and give them a per-diem for meals. And they aren’t typically stationed close to cities where they can easily spend loads of money. Most of them get one sit-down restaurant meal and catch a movie in a small town each week and then it’s back to work. It’s a GREAT way for a non-college-educated male (need to be very strong) to get way ahead in life at a young age. Especially one who can’t afford to finish college without taking out loans.[/quote]

But no one is proposing more rights for more educated Californians. We just want our vote to carry the same weight.

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl]The same could be said for the (mainly Taiwanese) Tyson Foods employees in rural AR. Even though most of these workers are “legal” and AR has warmer weather than CO, these workers still need a LOT of local aid for their families to survive.

Immigrant workers have a profound (financial) effect on rural America.[/quote]

Taiwanese? Are you sure about that? Maybe you were referring to Thai workers?

You do realize Austria is not Australia…

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