Career advice

[kicksavedave]

Am I missing something here? You’re in a sales position, but only get salary plus OT, what about commission? Do the sales managers get commission? If not, then its not a sales position, its a customer service position, or marketing position, whatever. But sales jobs imply that there is a salary plus commission which makes up the total earnings target. Where I work, the sales manager’s salary is a fraction higher than the sales reps, but their commission scale is based on a larger territory, so their net income potential is greater… otherwise they’d never be able to hire any managers. Your company seems backwards. How much does the CEO make, minimum wage?

There is no such thing as a promotion, with a pay cut. A promotion implies a pay raise. I took less money for a new job once, and regretted it forever, it took more than a decade to get back what I gave up financially. If the total, guaranteed earnings potential for this management position is less than what you make now, run like hell. You’d be gambling on a future windfall instead of taking the sure thing. A better idea would be to save the money at your current position, and take it to Vegas and gamble it all there, at least then you can control the odds.

Or better yet, save the money at your current position, and KEEP it, invest it! Money in the hand is worth a whole lot more than the risky potential for a little more later.
Have you calculated how much money you’ll need to make in the IPO just to get back to even? What comes after that?

Just my humble $.02. Good luck with your decision.

[zzz]

You’re in sales but you didn’t mention anything about commissions or override on the performance of your team as a manager? Well you said sales more or less, so I’m guessing you’re not the outside new sales guy. Here are some questions I have and ones you may want to ask with respect to new role, as well as negotiate on.

–What is the OTE for the position as a manager? Is there no variable comp built in? Do you have commissions/ bonuses today in your current role?

–You may want to consider accepting a lower base IF your OTE is higher AND there actually people at that level achieving OTE or exceeding it. IF you cannot find that a good majority of the people achieve OTE, then its probably not a realistic sales target for the current stage of the solution/company, or the sales guys aren’t very good at what they do.

–OR, the lower base is commensurate with a change in role. For instance -if say you’re in a pre-sales sales engineer role, the bases tend to be higher, but the overall comp is lower than the saleperson. The salesperson’s base is typically 20-30% lower in some instances, but IF you do your job and you have a saleable product / captive audience, you should make far more than you could have as a sales engineer.

–If they cannot negotiate on base, negotiate on commissions. If they pay you an override based on team performance, negotiate a higher step up, accelerator above target, etc.

If you believe in the company, and this role enables you to make more money if your team produces, then you should go for it – stock options or not. Sales is about taking risks, otherwise what would be the point in putting yourself on the front line if there was not the possibility of bigger rewards?

[zzz]

You’re in sales but you didn’t mention anything about commissions or override on the performance of your team as a manager? Well you said sales more or less, so I’m guessing you’re not the outside new sales guy. Here are some questions I have and ones you may want to ask with respect to new role, as well as negotiate on.

–What is the OTE for the position as a manager? Is there no variable comp built in? Do you have commissions/ bonuses today in your current role?

–You may want to consider accepting a lower base IF your OTE is higher AND there actually people at that level achieving OTE or exceeding it. IF you cannot find that a good majority of the people achieve OTE, then its probably not a realistic sales target for the current stage of the solution/company, or the sales guys aren’t very good at what they do.

–OR, the lower base is commensurate with a change in role. For instance -if say you’re in a pre-sales sales engineer role, the bases tend to be higher, but the overall comp is lower than the saleperson. The salesperson’s base is typically 20-30% lower in some instances, but IF you do your job and you have a saleable product / captive audience, you should make far more than you could have as a sales engineer.

–If they cannot negotiate on base, negotiate on commissions. If they pay you an override based on team performance, negotiate a higher step up, accelerator above target, etc.

If you believe in the company, and this role enables you to make more money if your team produces, then you should go for it – stock options or not. Sales is about taking risks, otherwise what would be the point in putting yourself on the front line if there was not the possibility of bigger rewards?

[zzz]

You’re in sales but you didn’t mention anything about commissions or override on the performance of your team as a manager? Well you said sales more or less, so I’m guessing you’re not the outside new sales guy. Here are some questions I have and ones you may want to ask with respect to new role, as well as negotiate on.

–What is the OTE for the position as a manager? Is there no variable comp built in? Do you have commissions/ bonuses today in your current role?

–You may want to consider accepting a lower base IF your OTE is higher AND there actually people at that level achieving OTE or exceeding it. IF you cannot find that a good majority of the people achieve OTE, then its probably not a realistic sales target for the current stage of the solution/company, or the sales guys aren’t very good at what they do.

–OR, the lower base is commensurate with a change in role. For instance -if say you’re in a pre-sales sales engineer role, the bases tend to be higher, but the overall comp is lower than the saleperson. The salesperson’s base is typically 20-30% lower in some instances, but IF you do your job and you have a saleable product / captive audience, you should make far more than you could have as a sales engineer.

–If they cannot negotiate on base, negotiate on commissions. If they pay you an override based on team performance, negotiate a higher step up, accelerator above target, etc.

If you believe in the company, and this role enables you to make more money if your team produces, then you should go for it – stock options or not. Sales is about taking risks, otherwise what would be the point in putting yourself on the front line if there was not the possibility of bigger rewards?

[zzz]

You’re in sales but you didn’t mention anything about commissions or override on the performance of your team as a manager? Well you said sales more or less, so I’m guessing you’re not the outside new sales guy. Here are some questions I have and ones you may want to ask with respect to new role, as well as negotiate on.

–What is the OTE for the position as a manager? Is there no variable comp built in? Do you have commissions/ bonuses today in your current role?

–You may want to consider accepting a lower base IF your OTE is higher AND there actually people at that level achieving OTE or exceeding it. IF you cannot find that a good majority of the people achieve OTE, then its probably not a realistic sales target for the current stage of the solution/company, or the sales guys aren’t very good at what they do.

–OR, the lower base is commensurate with a change in role. For instance -if say you’re in a pre-sales sales engineer role, the bases tend to be higher, but the overall comp is lower than the saleperson. The salesperson’s base is typically 20-30% lower in some instances, but IF you do your job and you have a saleable product / captive audience, you should make far more than you could have as a sales engineer.

–If they cannot negotiate on base, negotiate on commissions. If they pay you an override based on team performance, negotiate a higher step up, accelerator above target, etc.

If you believe in the company, and this role enables you to make more money if your team produces, then you should go for it – stock options or not. Sales is about taking risks, otherwise what would be the point in putting yourself on the front line if there was not the possibility of bigger rewards?

[zzz]

You’re in sales but you didn’t mention anything about commissions or override on the performance of your team as a manager? Well you said sales more or less, so I’m guessing you’re not the outside new sales guy. Here are some questions I have and ones you may want to ask with respect to new role, as well as negotiate on.

–What is the OTE for the position as a manager? Is there no variable comp built in? Do you have commissions/ bonuses today in your current role?

–You may want to consider accepting a lower base IF your OTE is higher AND there actually people at that level achieving OTE or exceeding it. IF you cannot find that a good majority of the people achieve OTE, then its probably not a realistic sales target for the current stage of the solution/company, or the sales guys aren’t very good at what they do.

–OR, the lower base is commensurate with a change in role. For instance -if say you’re in a pre-sales sales engineer role, the bases tend to be higher, but the overall comp is lower than the saleperson. The salesperson’s base is typically 20-30% lower in some instances, but IF you do your job and you have a saleable product / captive audience, you should make far more than you could have as a sales engineer.

–If they cannot negotiate on base, negotiate on commissions. If they pay you an override based on team performance, negotiate a higher step up, accelerator above target, etc.

If you believe in the company, and this role enables you to make more money if your team produces, then you should go for it – stock options or not. Sales is about taking risks, otherwise what would be the point in putting yourself on the front line if there was not the possibility of bigger rewards?

[condogrrl]

Use a condom until your girlfriend gets out of school, has a job, and you are married. If you’re saving for a house, then save for a child while you’re at it.

[condogrrl]

Use a condom until your girlfriend gets out of school, has a job, and you are married. If you’re saving for a house, then save for a child while you’re at it.

[condogrrl]

Use a condom until your girlfriend gets out of school, has a job, and you are married. If you’re saving for a house, then save for a child while you’re at it.

[condogrrl]

Use a condom until your girlfriend gets out of school, has a job, and you are married. If you’re saving for a house, then save for a child while you’re at it.

[condogrrl]

Use a condom until your girlfriend gets out of school, has a job, and you are married. If you’re saving for a house, then save for a child while you’re at it.

[Casca]

If you really want to make a smart financial move, cut your losses, and dump the bitch. If you marry her, half of all your net worth belongs to her, just as soon as she decides she’s tired of you. If you have children the court will order you to give her a monthly stipend based on your combined incomes. Yours of course being larger, they’ll allow you to pay the lions share, and she’ll get to decide how to spend that money in the children’s best interest. Usually, that involves buying the necessities in life for finding the next sucker. Finally, if she can hang on for ten years, you’ll also have the opportunity to pay her alimony for all of her marital contributions, until she decides to remarry, or one of you dies.

[Casca]

If you really want to make a smart financial move, cut your losses, and dump the bitch. If you marry her, half of all your net worth belongs to her, just as soon as she decides she’s tired of you. If you have children the court will order you to give her a monthly stipend based on your combined incomes. Yours of course being larger, they’ll allow you to pay the lions share, and she’ll get to decide how to spend that money in the children’s best interest. Usually, that involves buying the necessities in life for finding the next sucker. Finally, if she can hang on for ten years, you’ll also have the opportunity to pay her alimony for all of her marital contributions, until she decides to remarry, or one of you dies.

[Casca]

If you really want to make a smart financial move, cut your losses, and dump the bitch. If you marry her, half of all your net worth belongs to her, just as soon as she decides she’s tired of you. If you have children the court will order you to give her a monthly stipend based on your combined incomes. Yours of course being larger, they’ll allow you to pay the lions share, and she’ll get to decide how to spend that money in the children’s best interest. Usually, that involves buying the necessities in life for finding the next sucker. Finally, if she can hang on for ten years, you’ll also have the opportunity to pay her alimony for all of her marital contributions, until she decides to remarry, or one of you dies.

[Casca]

If you really want to make a smart financial move, cut your losses, and dump the bitch. If you marry her, half of all your net worth belongs to her, just as soon as she decides she’s tired of you. If you have children the court will order you to give her a monthly stipend based on your combined incomes. Yours of course being larger, they’ll allow you to pay the lions share, and she’ll get to decide how to spend that money in the children’s best interest. Usually, that involves buying the necessities in life for finding the next sucker. Finally, if she can hang on for ten years, you’ll also have the opportunity to pay her alimony for all of her marital contributions, until she decides to remarry, or one of you dies.

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