Can’t afford Carmel Valley? No problem….

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Economic diversity is like the paradox of thrift. Good for society as a whole, but bad for kids who might be influenced by lesser values.[/quote]

Can we stop calling this economic diversity? What spdrun suggests is “good” has nothing to do with whatever someone is rich or poor. He literally said it is a good thing to have kids and parents that don’t value education.

This is the most absurd thing. Because even parents that aren’t rich want their kids to better themselves and regardless of their economic situation. Well at least the smarter ones. How would encouraging your kids to be dumb as a doorknob be a good thing…unless you happen to be a masochist that enjoys people underachieving and failing in life without even trying… For I don’t know reasons…

I guess there are just some people in this world that enjoy seeing people fail….

[spdrun]

It’s healthy to have slacker peers as well as super-type-A achiever peers. Slackers teach valuable lessons to kids as well. How to relax and enjoy life, not run like a headless chicken from organized activity to activity. Play some pickup ball after school. Go to the woods, crack open some beers, and hang out with members of the correct gender.

Success shouldn’t consist of 50+ hour weeks, day-in-day-out with a week or two off per year, only to be made redundant in 20 years and die of a heart attack in 30. Teaching kids how to be type-A heart-attack fodder in their teens is awful.

He played an evil psychopath, but I always found Steve Buscemi’s quote in Con Air to be very apt…

“Now you’re talking semantics. What if I told you insane was working 50 hours a week in some office for 50 years… at the end of which they tell you to piss off?

Ending up in some retirement village… hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time.

Wouldn’t you consider that to be insane?”

[Coronita]

[quote=spdrun]It’s healthy to have slacker peers as well as super-type-A achiever peers. Slackers teach valuable lessons to kids as well. How to relax and enjoy life, not run like a headless chicken from organized activity to activity. Play some pickup ball after school. Go to the woods, crack open some beers, and hang out with members of the correct gender.

Success shouldn’t consist of 50+ hour weeks, day-in-day-out with a week or two off per year, only to be made redundant in 20 years and die of a heart attack in 30. Teaching kids how to be type-A heart-attack fodder in their teens is awful.

He played an evil psychopath, but I always found Steve Buscemi’s quote in Con Air to be very apt…

“Now you’re talking semantics. What if I told you insane was working 50 hours a week in some office for 50 years… at the end of which they tell you to piss off?

Ending up in some retirement village… hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time.

Wouldn’t you consider that to be insane?”[/quote]

I don’t think most American kids need to worry about working too hard. That’s part of the problem. Second, there’s nothing cool about throwing away good opportunities. If you want to teach your kids that’s ok, go for it. There’s’ a dozen or so other kids that will gladly take that away who wants it worse than your kid that isn’t motivated..and then you can worry and complain about wealth inequality … Assuming you aren’t wealthy and aren’t leaving a sizable trust fund for your kid…..which since we’re talking about economic “diversity” I would assume that is the case…

[FlyerInHi]

Good points, spd.
But just generalizing here, blue collar workers are less intelligent and less education and knowledge oriented. Not always, but generally.

I’d rather be a lawyer than a plumber. A lawyer can do plumbing work on the side. But a plumber can’t do lawyering.

[scaredyclassic]

Better income potential and stability in plumbing. I would cry if my kid went to law school I’d rejoice if he pursued plumbing.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=flu][quote=spdrun]It’s healthy to have slacker peers as well as super-type-A achiever peers. Slackers teach valuable lessons to kids as well. How to relax and enjoy life, not run like a headless chicken from organized activity to activity. Play some pickup ball after school. Go to the woods, crack open some beers, and hang out with members of the correct gender.

Success shouldn’t consist of 50+ hour weeks, day-in-day-out with a week or two off per year, only to be made redundant in 20 years and die of a heart attack in 30. Teaching kids how to be type-A heart-attack fodder in their teens is awful.

He played an evil psychopath, but I always found Steve Buscemi’s quote in Con Air to be very apt…

“Now you’re talking semantics. What if I told you insane was working 50 hours a week in some office for 50 years… at the end of which they tell you to piss off?

Ending up in some retirement village… hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time.

Wouldn’t you consider that to be insane?”[/quote]

I don’t think most American kids need to worry about working too hard. That’s part of the problem. Second, there’s nothing cool about throwing away good opportunities. If you want to teach your kids that’s ok, go for it. There’s’ a dozen or so other kids that will gladly take that away who wants it worse than your kid that isn’t motivated..and then you can worry and complain about wealth inequality … Assuming you aren’t wealthy and aren’t leaving a sizable trust fund for your kid…..which since we’re talking about economic “diversity” I would assume that is the case…[/quote]

My kid loved the one high school elective class he took with all the stoners and slackers. It was eye opening. Too much AP

[FlyerInHi]

Flu is the most pragmatic.
If you have the opportunity to send your kids to the best schools, then why throw away the opportunity for some personal ideals?

[an]

[quote=flu]I don’t think most American kids need to worry about working too hard. That’s part of the problem. Second, there’s nothing cool about throwing away good opportunities. If you want to teach your kids that’s ok, go for it. There’s’ a dozen or so other kids that will gladly take that away who wants it worse than your kid that isn’t motivated..and then you can worry and complain about wealth inequality … Assuming you aren’t wealthy and aren’t leaving a sizable trust fund for your kid…..which since we’re talking about economic “diversity” I would assume that is the case…[/quote]Survival of the fittest. Everyone is free to slack. One less competitor for the rest who want that position.

[scaredyclassic]

Maybe.

Long term success is a complex skillset. Most of what I use to survive I learned in hs. Theatre club. Filled with gay intrigue and drama…

[an]

Yes, it’s very complex. Most of the skills I learned that attributed to my success were from places outside of school. Being hungry and doing my best are the two most important skills IMHO.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Maybe.

Long term success is a complex skillset. Most of what I use to survive I learned in hs. Theatre club. Filled with gay intrigue and drama…[/quote]

So true. Life’s a stage, right? Real is what you want it to be.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]I don’t think most American kids need to worry about working too hard. That’s part of the problem. Second, there’s nothing cool about throwing away good opportunities. If you want to teach your kids that’s ok, go for it. There’s’ a dozen or so other kids that will gladly take that away who wants it worse than your kid that isn’t motivated..and then you can worry and complain about wealth inequality … Assuming you aren’t wealthy and aren’t leaving a sizable trust fund for your kid…..which since we’re talking about economic “diversity” I would assume that is the case…[/quote]Survival of the fittest. Everyone is free to slack. One less competitor for the rest who want that position.[/quote]

I get that.. But I am just trying to understand the logic of not wanting to do the best. Even if you fall short on what you wanted to achieve, it’s still better than the alternative..

You don’t need to be a hardcore academic type. But it helps to be surrounded by motivated people (provided they aren’t doing something illegal)

[fun4vnay2]

simple and may be bit absurd observation:: Usually people with knowledge and good analytical skills are the saddest ones..
Have seen people who are un-aware of things happening around them, kind of innocent and they seem to be the happiest ones..

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=rockingtime]simple and may be bit absurd observation:: Usually people with knowledge and good analytical skills are the saddest ones..
Have seen people who are un-aware of things happening around them, kind of innocent and they seem to be the happiest ones..[/quote]

Ignorance is bliss.

I’m doing drywall today. When this apartment it done it will generate $1500 income. No need to slave away. Dry walling is an art.

[an]

[quote=flu]I get that.. But I am just trying to understand the logic of not wanting to do the best. Even if you fall short on what you wanted to achieve, it’s still better than the alternative..

You don’t need to be a hardcore academic type. But it helps to be surrounded by motivated people (provided they aren’t doing something illegal)[/quote]Best in what? Doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor, you still only have 24 hours. We all have to juggle our priorities. I’ve seen people who’s definition of best = working 12-16hrs/day and making millions, while other is working enough to be able to travel the work one week every month or two while living in the city that they love. Person one would be miserable in person two’s shoes and vice versa.
Ultimately, I think you have to ask yourself, what make you happy? As long as what you do make you happy, then that’s all that matter. I don’t know if it helps to be surrounded by motivated people. I think it’s better to be surrounded by happy people who are willing to genuinely help you and not expect anything in return. Again, it all comes down to, what you want in life.

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