Bush addresses the nation on the economy and the stock market tanks. Irony

[drunkle]

sdnativeson:

i honestly don’t think there’s any discussion here. you’re flat wrong.

[sdnativeson]

drunkle;

just reading the constitution.

[sdnativeson]

drunkle;

just reading the constitution.

[sdnativeson]

drunkle;

just reading the constitution.

[CostaMesa]

Um, the president can’t propose legislation that he’d like to sign? (with the not-so-subtle armtwist of the implied quid pro quo)

Google news search turns up lots of examples of press conferences of precisely this from early ’01 to mid ’06 – when most of the American public decided that Iraq flavored kool-aid didn’t really taste all that great after all.

Yep, flat wrong.

[CostaMesa]

Um, the president can’t propose legislation that he’d like to sign? (with the not-so-subtle armtwist of the implied quid pro quo)

Google news search turns up lots of examples of press conferences of precisely this from early ’01 to mid ’06 – when most of the American public decided that Iraq flavored kool-aid didn’t really taste all that great after all.

Yep, flat wrong.

[CostaMesa]

Um, the president can’t propose legislation that he’d like to sign? (with the not-so-subtle armtwist of the implied quid pro quo)

Google news search turns up lots of examples of press conferences of precisely this from early ’01 to mid ’06 – when most of the American public decided that Iraq flavored kool-aid didn’t really taste all that great after all.

Yep, flat wrong.

[sdnativeson]

Proposing legislation isn’t the same as writing it and doesn’t mean it will be approved by the house and senate (that would be “Congress”). Vetoes can be overturned by majority votes in both houses (“Congress”).

Congress authorized Iraq it as is their responsibility-read article 8.

Political bigotry abounds here along with ignorance as to
the laws of our nation (Constitution).

I’m curious, what is our form of government? Anyone?

If your attention span lasts long enough feel free to read below.

Section 7 – House to originate all revenue bills. Veto. Bill may be passed by two-thirds of each House, notwithstanding, etc. Bill, not returned in ten days to become a law. Provisions as to orders, concurrent resolutions, etc.
1. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills.

2. Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the president of the United States; if he approve, he shall sign it, but if not, he shall return it, with his objections, to that house in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration, two thirds of that house shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other house, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two-thirds of that house, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each house respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the president within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

3. Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the president of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or, being disapproved by him, shall be re-passed by two-thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have the power

1. To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:

2. To borrow money on the credit of the United States:

3. To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states,and with the Indian tribes:

4. To establish an uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States:

5. To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures:

6. To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States:

7. To establish post-offices and post-roads:

8. To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

9. To constitute tribunals inferior to the supreme court:

10. To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations:

11. To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water:

12. To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years:

13. To provide and maintain a navy:

14. To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces:

15. To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions:

16. To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress:

17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings: And,

18. To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

[sdnativeson]

Proposing legislation isn’t the same as writing it and doesn’t mean it will be approved by the house and senate (that would be “Congress”). Vetoes can be overturned by majority votes in both houses (“Congress”).

Congress authorized Iraq it as is their responsibility-read article 8.

Political bigotry abounds here along with ignorance as to
the laws of our nation (Constitution).

I’m curious, what is our form of government? Anyone?

If your attention span lasts long enough feel free to read below.

Section 7 – House to originate all revenue bills. Veto. Bill may be passed by two-thirds of each House, notwithstanding, etc. Bill, not returned in ten days to become a law. Provisions as to orders, concurrent resolutions, etc.
1. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills.

2. Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the president of the United States; if he approve, he shall sign it, but if not, he shall return it, with his objections, to that house in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration, two thirds of that house shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other house, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two-thirds of that house, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each house respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the president within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

3. Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the president of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or, being disapproved by him, shall be re-passed by two-thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have the power

1. To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:

2. To borrow money on the credit of the United States:

3. To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states,and with the Indian tribes:

4. To establish an uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States:

5. To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures:

6. To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States:

7. To establish post-offices and post-roads:

8. To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

9. To constitute tribunals inferior to the supreme court:

10. To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations:

11. To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water:

12. To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years:

13. To provide and maintain a navy:

14. To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces:

15. To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions:

16. To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress:

17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings: And,

18. To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

[sdnativeson]

Proposing legislation isn’t the same as writing it and doesn’t mean it will be approved by the house and senate (that would be “Congress”). Vetoes can be overturned by majority votes in both houses (“Congress”).

Congress authorized Iraq it as is their responsibility-read article 8.

Political bigotry abounds here along with ignorance as to
the laws of our nation (Constitution).

I’m curious, what is our form of government? Anyone?

If your attention span lasts long enough feel free to read below.

Section 7 – House to originate all revenue bills. Veto. Bill may be passed by two-thirds of each House, notwithstanding, etc. Bill, not returned in ten days to become a law. Provisions as to orders, concurrent resolutions, etc.
1. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills.

2. Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the president of the United States; if he approve, he shall sign it, but if not, he shall return it, with his objections, to that house in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration, two thirds of that house shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other house, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two-thirds of that house, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each house respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the president within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

3. Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the president of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or, being disapproved by him, shall be re-passed by two-thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

Section 8 – Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have the power

1. To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States:

2. To borrow money on the credit of the United States:

3. To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states,and with the Indian tribes:

4. To establish an uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States:

5. To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures:

6. To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States:

7. To establish post-offices and post-roads:

8. To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

9. To constitute tribunals inferior to the supreme court:

10. To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the law of nations:

11. To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water:

12. To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years:

13. To provide and maintain a navy:

14. To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces:

15. To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions:

16. To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress:

17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings: And,

18. To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

[CostaMesa]

Perhaps we have a difference of opinion. I struggle to believe that the United States Constitution actually matters to a guy who’s clearly motivaed primarily by the opportunity to improve his social standing amongst a handful of oil tycoons.

Look closely at those words and recognize that that’s what’s currently written on the White House toilet paper – as evidenced by the ACTIONS of the Bush administration.

But, ultimately, neither of us will ever change the other’s mind. However, if one American feels compelled to question my competence, patriotism or other intangible quality for no greater reason than I do not agree with them – well, I hope they’re ready to deal with someone who’s ready to stand up for themself.

The conservative’s approach of painting anyone not drinking their koolaid as some kind of defective entity just ain’t got the traction it once had.

[CostaMesa]

Perhaps we have a difference of opinion. I struggle to believe that the United States Constitution actually matters to a guy who’s clearly motivaed primarily by the opportunity to improve his social standing amongst a handful of oil tycoons.

Look closely at those words and recognize that that’s what’s currently written on the White House toilet paper – as evidenced by the ACTIONS of the Bush administration.

But, ultimately, neither of us will ever change the other’s mind. However, if one American feels compelled to question my competence, patriotism or other intangible quality for no greater reason than I do not agree with them – well, I hope they’re ready to deal with someone who’s ready to stand up for themself.

The conservative’s approach of painting anyone not drinking their koolaid as some kind of defective entity just ain’t got the traction it once had.

[CostaMesa]

Perhaps we have a difference of opinion. I struggle to believe that the United States Constitution actually matters to a guy who’s clearly motivaed primarily by the opportunity to improve his social standing amongst a handful of oil tycoons.

Look closely at those words and recognize that that’s what’s currently written on the White House toilet paper – as evidenced by the ACTIONS of the Bush administration.

But, ultimately, neither of us will ever change the other’s mind. However, if one American feels compelled to question my competence, patriotism or other intangible quality for no greater reason than I do not agree with them – well, I hope they’re ready to deal with someone who’s ready to stand up for themself.

The conservative’s approach of painting anyone not drinking their koolaid as some kind of defective entity just ain’t got the traction it once had.

[cyphire]

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[cyphire]

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