Bush addresses the nation on the economy and the stock market tanks. Irony

[cyphire]

Whoa… Lets all take a breather!

Raybyrnes posted the comment (I think about why can’t the democrats field a successful candidate vs. why have the Republicans (GW) destroyed everything our country stands for and we have worked for as a nation… (Note I am paraphrasing!) The Republican’s pick a leader and get behind him. They use fear mongering and hatred… all the time they are picking our pockets. They also play the religion card, the birth control card, the abstinence card, the abortion card, the scary Mexicans card, etc. And with our sheeplike population, it’s easy to find something to be afraid of. The Democrats just intellectually destroy each other during elections until the final victor is so beaten down that the Republican’s can finish them off.

I vote Democratic because the Republicans don’t espouse the family values and core values that I believe a thinking, caring person should care about. Most of their ‘family values’ are actually anti-family anti-society values. Thats the hipacritical part. That doesn’t mean that I like most of the Democratic higher-ups… It just means that I think a large majority of the Republicans are hypocrites, and their cult worship hurts my country and my family.

I think Clinton was a pretty good president – he was a little weak on execution. I can’t even come to grips with what a dangerous and poor leader GW is. You couldn’t write a story which would have a more pathetic dangerous idiot at the helm and be believed… Its almost Kafkaesque.

A recent article I read states that if the United States gets behind any leader in the Arab world, they automatically will lose their election. Thats how bad it’s gotten. We are the laughingstock of every civilized and uncivilized country out there… They would be laughing much louder if we weren’t so dangerous.

That being said, we aren’t too dangerous anymore… The imbecilic prosecution of the war has left us pretty weak and puny. Imagine if we did need to take action against a North Korea, Iran, or Belgium? (Just kidding about Belgium – the US population would find out that we might have a chocolate crisis and would immediately capitulate!

If GW really cared about this country he would abdicate. He is so protected about what people think that he actually thinks that he is doing well. Its frightening.

[sdnativeson]

I concur with your first two paragraphs, I would just toss in “Democrat” right alongside Republican verbatim.
I think Clinton was a pretty benign president overall. My biggest gripe is that he looked directly into the camera and lied to the public, when he didn’t have to {please spare me any bush does that everyday or some crap if you don’t know what I mean by what I said, just say that).

Interesting point, you might want to see where a good percentage of the money that Bill has earned after leaving office has come from, I’ll leave it at that before I get labeled

The laughingstock of every civilized and uncivilized country? Generalization, I spend a good portion of the year traveling overseas and I wouldn’t use that term – when Clinton was being investigated we were, those who were aware of it couldn’t understand why it was made such a big deal(like alot of people here). Now I didn’t say that everywhere I go I am met with open arms but, I would say beyond the authorities, most – I said most really don’t care.

We are still dangerous, very dangerous for a myriad of reasons. A sample, a conversation with an aquaintance – he commented (paraphrasing)it’s difficult to understand you americans, you elect Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and another Bush – you change your politics like my daughter changes her clothes, I don’t know what I am going to see next. (not exactly subtle with the insult but not completelyl inaccurate either)

If you want GW to “abdicate” then to be both honest and fair you gotta ask the same of congress don’t you?

Anyway having said that I don’t express my opinions to try to change anyones mind, it’s a dialogue right? I do try to make people think outside their comfort zone. to me being polarized is to be intellectually dead

[sdnativeson]

I concur with your first two paragraphs, I would just toss in “Democrat” right alongside Republican verbatim.
I think Clinton was a pretty benign president overall. My biggest gripe is that he looked directly into the camera and lied to the public, when he didn’t have to {please spare me any bush does that everyday or some crap if you don’t know what I mean by what I said, just say that).

Interesting point, you might want to see where a good percentage of the money that Bill has earned after leaving office has come from, I’ll leave it at that before I get labeled

The laughingstock of every civilized and uncivilized country? Generalization, I spend a good portion of the year traveling overseas and I wouldn’t use that term – when Clinton was being investigated we were, those who were aware of it couldn’t understand why it was made such a big deal(like alot of people here). Now I didn’t say that everywhere I go I am met with open arms but, I would say beyond the authorities, most – I said most really don’t care.

We are still dangerous, very dangerous for a myriad of reasons. A sample, a conversation with an aquaintance – he commented (paraphrasing)it’s difficult to understand you americans, you elect Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and another Bush – you change your politics like my daughter changes her clothes, I don’t know what I am going to see next. (not exactly subtle with the insult but not completelyl inaccurate either)

If you want GW to “abdicate” then to be both honest and fair you gotta ask the same of congress don’t you?

Anyway having said that I don’t express my opinions to try to change anyones mind, it’s a dialogue right? I do try to make people think outside their comfort zone. to me being polarized is to be intellectually dead

[sdnativeson]

I concur with your first two paragraphs, I would just toss in “Democrat” right alongside Republican verbatim.
I think Clinton was a pretty benign president overall. My biggest gripe is that he looked directly into the camera and lied to the public, when he didn’t have to {please spare me any bush does that everyday or some crap if you don’t know what I mean by what I said, just say that).

Interesting point, you might want to see where a good percentage of the money that Bill has earned after leaving office has come from, I’ll leave it at that before I get labeled

The laughingstock of every civilized and uncivilized country? Generalization, I spend a good portion of the year traveling overseas and I wouldn’t use that term – when Clinton was being investigated we were, those who were aware of it couldn’t understand why it was made such a big deal(like alot of people here). Now I didn’t say that everywhere I go I am met with open arms but, I would say beyond the authorities, most – I said most really don’t care.

We are still dangerous, very dangerous for a myriad of reasons. A sample, a conversation with an aquaintance – he commented (paraphrasing)it’s difficult to understand you americans, you elect Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and another Bush – you change your politics like my daughter changes her clothes, I don’t know what I am going to see next. (not exactly subtle with the insult but not completelyl inaccurate either)

If you want GW to “abdicate” then to be both honest and fair you gotta ask the same of congress don’t you?

Anyway having said that I don’t express my opinions to try to change anyones mind, it’s a dialogue right? I do try to make people think outside their comfort zone. to me being polarized is to be intellectually dead

[Raybyrnes]

sdnativeson

Seems as though you are challenging people to think critically and people are jumping on your back for doing so.

Here is maybe a different question for the board? When is the last time you considered voting for someone from the other party. Seems to me that people go into the voting booths these day and will vote Dem or Republican across the board without knowing anything about the conadidate or in many cases the issues. Ask the average Democratic voter what public policies Dems stand for and they are unable to communicate basic policies. The same holds true for Republicans. The most common response is becasue mI think there better. “Well help me understand whay? ” and there is silence.

I sort of like the fact that Hilary and Obama are in the race because I routinely here people say they will vote for these candidates because of their sex or race. Seems as ignorant ans voting for a president becaseu of his party line.

Last itme I looked Clintons economics during his second term were very Republican in tone. I know house and Senate were republican so he was limited. Yada Yada Yada

[Raybyrnes]

sdnativeson

Seems as though you are challenging people to think critically and people are jumping on your back for doing so.

Here is maybe a different question for the board? When is the last time you considered voting for someone from the other party. Seems to me that people go into the voting booths these day and will vote Dem or Republican across the board without knowing anything about the conadidate or in many cases the issues. Ask the average Democratic voter what public policies Dems stand for and they are unable to communicate basic policies. The same holds true for Republicans. The most common response is becasue mI think there better. “Well help me understand whay? ” and there is silence.

I sort of like the fact that Hilary and Obama are in the race because I routinely here people say they will vote for these candidates because of their sex or race. Seems as ignorant ans voting for a president becaseu of his party line.

Last itme I looked Clintons economics during his second term were very Republican in tone. I know house and Senate were republican so he was limited. Yada Yada Yada

[Raybyrnes]

sdnativeson

Seems as though you are challenging people to think critically and people are jumping on your back for doing so.

Here is maybe a different question for the board? When is the last time you considered voting for someone from the other party. Seems to me that people go into the voting booths these day and will vote Dem or Republican across the board without knowing anything about the conadidate or in many cases the issues. Ask the average Democratic voter what public policies Dems stand for and they are unable to communicate basic policies. The same holds true for Republicans. The most common response is becasue mI think there better. “Well help me understand whay? ” and there is silence.

I sort of like the fact that Hilary and Obama are in the race because I routinely here people say they will vote for these candidates because of their sex or race. Seems as ignorant ans voting for a president becaseu of his party line.

Last itme I looked Clintons economics during his second term were very Republican in tone. I know house and Senate were republican so he was limited. Yada Yada Yada

[sdnativeson]

I can remember when it was expected of a person.

Good question and exercise Raybyrnes. And your observation
imho seems dead accurate.

This is the mentality/mindset that is actively promoted in our society (I can’t help but think of the visa check card commercial with everyone on autopilot until some “person” pulls out cash).

So much for individuality or free-will we are being weighed, measured, packaged, labeled and delivered as promised. Time to stop, this isn’t the medium for a topic like that.

[sdnativeson]

I can remember when it was expected of a person.

Good question and exercise Raybyrnes. And your observation
imho seems dead accurate.

This is the mentality/mindset that is actively promoted in our society (I can’t help but think of the visa check card commercial with everyone on autopilot until some “person” pulls out cash).

So much for individuality or free-will we are being weighed, measured, packaged, labeled and delivered as promised. Time to stop, this isn’t the medium for a topic like that.

[sdnativeson]

I can remember when it was expected of a person.

Good question and exercise Raybyrnes. And your observation
imho seems dead accurate.

This is the mentality/mindset that is actively promoted in our society (I can’t help but think of the visa check card commercial with everyone on autopilot until some “person” pulls out cash).

So much for individuality or free-will we are being weighed, measured, packaged, labeled and delivered as promised. Time to stop, this isn’t the medium for a topic like that.

[CostaMesa]

Muggle – One more brick in the big picture wall. Thanks for the contribution.

[CostaMesa]

Muggle – One more brick in the big picture wall. Thanks for the contribution.

[CostaMesa]

Muggle – One more brick in the big picture wall. Thanks for the contribution.

[drunkle]

i dont get it. a guy labels another as naive for thinking the president can truly affect the economy, the guy resorts to Argument by Definition in order to vainly support his ideology… and then turns around demanding critical thought from others… how does that work?

just… wow.

[drunkle]

i dont get it. a guy labels another as naive for thinking the president can truly affect the economy, the guy resorts to Argument by Definition in order to vainly support his ideology… and then turns around demanding critical thought from others… how does that work?

just… wow.

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