American Flag not welcome on Cinco de Mayo…in the USA

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]You make a great point CA renter. It’s worth trying to guide change in the right direction. But it’s not possible to stop change.

Certain change is so inexorable that it cannot be stopped.

This is mainly an issue of demographics. The Hispanification of the American West and, California in particular, is unstoppable.

We have the choice of embracing the Hispanic population and help them succeed. Throwing roadblocks in their way and forcing them to assimilate while not legalizing them only elicits a negative adverse reaction and impoverish us all.

These American flag issues are nothing new and will come up periodically when people get riled up and get the press coverage.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/worried-about-hispanification-vigilante-ties-flag-debate%5B/quote%5D

Brian,

Many people feel that this “Hispanification of the American West and, California in particular” isn’t unstoppable, nor is it something that needs to be embraced. While a variety of cultures might be embraced, when one particular culture overwhelms a country over a short period of time, problems are bound to occur. If that new “majority” culture encourages behavior that is deemed to be agressive or threatening toward the existing culture, you’re going to get a culture war. That is the only thing that is guaranteed here.

Illegal immigration is **illegal** for some very good reasons. We cannot have unchecked immigration from poor countries where a disproportionate number of these immigrants engage in violent/criminal activity. We cannot have unchecked immigration if the existing taxpayers are expected to pay for the immigrants’ (and their childrens’) educations, housing, physical and social infrastructure, food, legal expenses (including prison expenses), etc. There is a limit to what we can afford to give to everyone from outside of our own country (some would argue we can’t even take of our own citizens).

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Jim Jones]

Also Brain I would like for you to personally advocate my celebration of the July 4th holiday celebrating American independence from an imperial Britain in Mexico. I would like police and governmental protection [/quote]
Jim, there are millions of Americans living abroad and they do so because they can enjoy a pretty good living.

In foreign countries, the police will give Americans better protection than their own citizens; because they know that if something happens to an American, our State Department comes down hard on them.

Go to any country where is there an American presence or American tourists. Americans celebrate the 4th of July just fine. Hotels have special events for Thanksgiving and Christmas. They even celebrate Halloween.

In the end, it doesn’t matter how other people treat us. It’s how we treat others that is important.[/quote]

Next time I am playing the role of an expat I will make sure to ask the hotel staff to take down the local nations flag on the 4th of July and raise the American one so I am not offended. I will make sure to pass along the anecdotal evidence you placed in this post to convince them that it is the right thing to do.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Jim Jones]

Also Brain I would like for you to personally advocate my celebration of the July 4th holiday celebrating American independence from an imperial Britain in Mexico. I would like police and governmental protection [/quote]
Jim, there are millions of Americans living abroad and they do so because they can enjoy a pretty good living.

In foreign countries, the police will give Americans better protection than their own citizens; because they know that if something happens to an American, our State Department comes down hard on them.

Go to any country where is there an American presence or American tourists. Americans celebrate the 4th of July just fine. Hotels have special events for Thanksgiving and Christmas. They even celebrate Halloween.

In the end, it doesn’t matter how other people treat us. It’s how we treat others that is important.[/quote]

Next time I am playing the role of an expat I will make sure to ask the hotel staff to take down the local nations flag on the 4th of July and raise the American one so I am not offended. I will make sure to pass along the anecdotal evidence you placed in this post to convince them that it is the right thing to do.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Jim Jones]

Also Brain I would like for you to personally advocate my celebration of the July 4th holiday celebrating American independence from an imperial Britain in Mexico. I would like police and governmental protection [/quote]
Jim, there are millions of Americans living abroad and they do so because they can enjoy a pretty good living.

In foreign countries, the police will give Americans better protection than their own citizens; because they know that if something happens to an American, our State Department comes down hard on them.

Go to any country where is there an American presence or American tourists. Americans celebrate the 4th of July just fine. Hotels have special events for Thanksgiving and Christmas. They even celebrate Halloween.

In the end, it doesn’t matter how other people treat us. It’s how we treat others that is important.[/quote]

Next time I am playing the role of an expat I will make sure to ask the hotel staff to take down the local nations flag on the 4th of July and raise the American one so I am not offended. I will make sure to pass along the anecdotal evidence you placed in this post to convince them that it is the right thing to do.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Jim Jones]

Also Brain I would like for you to personally advocate my celebration of the July 4th holiday celebrating American independence from an imperial Britain in Mexico. I would like police and governmental protection [/quote]
Jim, there are millions of Americans living abroad and they do so because they can enjoy a pretty good living.

In foreign countries, the police will give Americans better protection than their own citizens; because they know that if something happens to an American, our State Department comes down hard on them.

Go to any country where is there an American presence or American tourists. Americans celebrate the 4th of July just fine. Hotels have special events for Thanksgiving and Christmas. They even celebrate Halloween.

In the end, it doesn’t matter how other people treat us. It’s how we treat others that is important.[/quote]

Next time I am playing the role of an expat I will make sure to ask the hotel staff to take down the local nations flag on the 4th of July and raise the American one so I am not offended. I will make sure to pass along the anecdotal evidence you placed in this post to convince them that it is the right thing to do.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Jim Jones]

Also Brain I would like for you to personally advocate my celebration of the July 4th holiday celebrating American independence from an imperial Britain in Mexico. I would like police and governmental protection [/quote]
Jim, there are millions of Americans living abroad and they do so because they can enjoy a pretty good living.

In foreign countries, the police will give Americans better protection than their own citizens; because they know that if something happens to an American, our State Department comes down hard on them.

Go to any country where is there an American presence or American tourists. Americans celebrate the 4th of July just fine. Hotels have special events for Thanksgiving and Christmas. They even celebrate Halloween.

In the end, it doesn’t matter how other people treat us. It’s how we treat others that is important.[/quote]

Next time I am playing the role of an expat I will make sure to ask the hotel staff to take down the local nations flag on the 4th of July and raise the American one so I am not offended. I will make sure to pass along the anecdotal evidence you placed in this post to convince them that it is the right thing to do.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Eugene]And, ultimately because of this cognitive dissonance, and because of all the talk about Aztlan, and the rampant evidence of hispanicization, where historically white cities like Santa Ana turn Spanish-speaking in the course of one generation … that makes white citizens unsure about the real intentions and allegiances of those immigrants … and that’s why they are worried.
[/quote]

If white people are worried, then that’s their problem, no?

I’m not worried.

[quote=Eugene]
And events like this one, where immigrants actually feel offended by the sight of an American flag, make them worried even more.
[/quote]

The Hispanics students weren’t offended by the American flag. The school administrator though that white students wearing the flag could lead to a fight. The admins were trying to prevent flare ups, for everyone’s safety. Remember preemption?[/quote]

Brain are you therefore advocating preemptive actions to restrict 1st Amendment free speech which may be offensive?

Could it therefore not also have been interpreted that the Mexican-Americans celebrating a Mexican holiday in an American public government building may have offended the local population of American students. Based on this logic the Mexican-American students should have not been able to demonstrate their support for the holiday either and the school administrators we negligent in their duty to provide a safe environment for the American students.

Why am I wasting my time trying to teach Brain1 the basics of logical thought, critical analysis and functional use of rhetoric?

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Eugene]And, ultimately because of this cognitive dissonance, and because of all the talk about Aztlan, and the rampant evidence of hispanicization, where historically white cities like Santa Ana turn Spanish-speaking in the course of one generation … that makes white citizens unsure about the real intentions and allegiances of those immigrants … and that’s why they are worried.
[/quote]

If white people are worried, then that’s their problem, no?

I’m not worried.

[quote=Eugene]
And events like this one, where immigrants actually feel offended by the sight of an American flag, make them worried even more.
[/quote]

The Hispanics students weren’t offended by the American flag. The school administrator though that white students wearing the flag could lead to a fight. The admins were trying to prevent flare ups, for everyone’s safety. Remember preemption?[/quote]

Brain are you therefore advocating preemptive actions to restrict 1st Amendment free speech which may be offensive?

Could it therefore not also have been interpreted that the Mexican-Americans celebrating a Mexican holiday in an American public government building may have offended the local population of American students. Based on this logic the Mexican-American students should have not been able to demonstrate their support for the holiday either and the school administrators we negligent in their duty to provide a safe environment for the American students.

Why am I wasting my time trying to teach Brain1 the basics of logical thought, critical analysis and functional use of rhetoric?

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Eugene]And, ultimately because of this cognitive dissonance, and because of all the talk about Aztlan, and the rampant evidence of hispanicization, where historically white cities like Santa Ana turn Spanish-speaking in the course of one generation … that makes white citizens unsure about the real intentions and allegiances of those immigrants … and that’s why they are worried.
[/quote]

If white people are worried, then that’s their problem, no?

I’m not worried.

[quote=Eugene]
And events like this one, where immigrants actually feel offended by the sight of an American flag, make them worried even more.
[/quote]

The Hispanics students weren’t offended by the American flag. The school administrator though that white students wearing the flag could lead to a fight. The admins were trying to prevent flare ups, for everyone’s safety. Remember preemption?[/quote]

Brain are you therefore advocating preemptive actions to restrict 1st Amendment free speech which may be offensive?

Could it therefore not also have been interpreted that the Mexican-Americans celebrating a Mexican holiday in an American public government building may have offended the local population of American students. Based on this logic the Mexican-American students should have not been able to demonstrate their support for the holiday either and the school administrators we negligent in their duty to provide a safe environment for the American students.

Why am I wasting my time trying to teach Brain1 the basics of logical thought, critical analysis and functional use of rhetoric?

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Eugene]And, ultimately because of this cognitive dissonance, and because of all the talk about Aztlan, and the rampant evidence of hispanicization, where historically white cities like Santa Ana turn Spanish-speaking in the course of one generation … that makes white citizens unsure about the real intentions and allegiances of those immigrants … and that’s why they are worried.
[/quote]

If white people are worried, then that’s their problem, no?

I’m not worried.

[quote=Eugene]
And events like this one, where immigrants actually feel offended by the sight of an American flag, make them worried even more.
[/quote]

The Hispanics students weren’t offended by the American flag. The school administrator though that white students wearing the flag could lead to a fight. The admins were trying to prevent flare ups, for everyone’s safety. Remember preemption?[/quote]

Brain are you therefore advocating preemptive actions to restrict 1st Amendment free speech which may be offensive?

Could it therefore not also have been interpreted that the Mexican-Americans celebrating a Mexican holiday in an American public government building may have offended the local population of American students. Based on this logic the Mexican-American students should have not been able to demonstrate their support for the holiday either and the school administrators we negligent in their duty to provide a safe environment for the American students.

Why am I wasting my time trying to teach Brain1 the basics of logical thought, critical analysis and functional use of rhetoric?

[Jim Jones]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Eugene]And, ultimately because of this cognitive dissonance, and because of all the talk about Aztlan, and the rampant evidence of hispanicization, where historically white cities like Santa Ana turn Spanish-speaking in the course of one generation … that makes white citizens unsure about the real intentions and allegiances of those immigrants … and that’s why they are worried.
[/quote]

If white people are worried, then that’s their problem, no?

I’m not worried.

[quote=Eugene]
And events like this one, where immigrants actually feel offended by the sight of an American flag, make them worried even more.
[/quote]

The Hispanics students weren’t offended by the American flag. The school administrator though that white students wearing the flag could lead to a fight. The admins were trying to prevent flare ups, for everyone’s safety. Remember preemption?[/quote]

Brain are you therefore advocating preemptive actions to restrict 1st Amendment free speech which may be offensive?

Could it therefore not also have been interpreted that the Mexican-Americans celebrating a Mexican holiday in an American public government building may have offended the local population of American students. Based on this logic the Mexican-American students should have not been able to demonstrate their support for the holiday either and the school administrators we negligent in their duty to provide a safe environment for the American students.

Why am I wasting my time trying to teach Brain1 the basics of logical thought, critical analysis and functional use of rhetoric?

[Coronita]

[quote=eavesdropper]
I’d like to say that I come to Pigg’s because of the scintillating discourse. In fact, it’s because I need my regular fix of well-stated opinions, written in properly structured and punctuated sentences, and I know I will always find it here.[/quote]

You no Likin me jIvin whits you dam bad em, eh?Yo mad yall. I come ta learn an’ git an eduKation hear on piggington Don’t make me comith ovah their homey…

Now before Brian starts jivin that I’m racist, I shall let the homey know, I grew up listening to .Ice-T, Run DMC, LL Cool J, which sometimes I still listen to in the car (obviously when my kid isn’t in the car and when I’m not with people). Hell, I’ll take Ice-T to Celine Dion anyday…

[Coronita]

[quote=eavesdropper]
I’d like to say that I come to Pigg’s because of the scintillating discourse. In fact, it’s because I need my regular fix of well-stated opinions, written in properly structured and punctuated sentences, and I know I will always find it here.[/quote]

You no Likin me jIvin whits you dam bad em, eh?Yo mad yall. I come ta learn an’ git an eduKation hear on piggington Don’t make me comith ovah their homey…

Now before Brian starts jivin that I’m racist, I shall let the homey know, I grew up listening to .Ice-T, Run DMC, LL Cool J, which sometimes I still listen to in the car (obviously when my kid isn’t in the car and when I’m not with people). Hell, I’ll take Ice-T to Celine Dion anyday…

[Coronita]

[quote=eavesdropper]
I’d like to say that I come to Pigg’s because of the scintillating discourse. In fact, it’s because I need my regular fix of well-stated opinions, written in properly structured and punctuated sentences, and I know I will always find it here.[/quote]

You no Likin me jIvin whits you dam bad em, eh?Yo mad yall. I come ta learn an’ git an eduKation hear on piggington Don’t make me comith ovah their homey…

Now before Brian starts jivin that I’m racist, I shall let the homey know, I grew up listening to .Ice-T, Run DMC, LL Cool J, which sometimes I still listen to in the car (obviously when my kid isn’t in the car and when I’m not with people). Hell, I’ll take Ice-T to Celine Dion anyday…

[Coronita]

[quote=eavesdropper]
I’d like to say that I come to Pigg’s because of the scintillating discourse. In fact, it’s because I need my regular fix of well-stated opinions, written in properly structured and punctuated sentences, and I know I will always find it here.[/quote]

You no Likin me jIvin whits you dam bad em, eh?Yo mad yall. I come ta learn an’ git an eduKation hear on piggington Don’t make me comith ovah their homey…

Now before Brian starts jivin that I’m racist, I shall let the homey know, I grew up listening to .Ice-T, Run DMC, LL Cool J, which sometimes I still listen to in the car (obviously when my kid isn’t in the car and when I’m not with people). Hell, I’ll take Ice-T to Celine Dion anyday…

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