American Flag not welcome on Cinco de Mayo…in the USA

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[quote=Eugene]And, ultimately because of this cognitive dissonance, and because of all the talk about Aztlan, and the rampant evidence of hispanicization, where historically white cities like Santa Ana turn Spanish-speaking in the course of one generation … that makes white citizens unsure about the real intentions and allegiances of those immigrants … and that’s why they are worried.
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If white people are worried, then that’s their problem, no?

I’m not worried.

[quote=Eugene]
And events like this one, where immigrants actually feel offended by the sight of an American flag, make them worried even more.
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The Hispanics students weren’t offended by the American flag. The school administrator though that white students wearing the flag could lead to a fight. The admins were trying to prevent flare ups, for everyone’s safety. Remember preemption?

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Who gives a f*** frankly. A news story picks a juicy tit bit and runs with it. Kids going ‘political’, patriotic, whatever. Most likely prompted by xenophobic parents. The school took a decision based on maintaining order, and keeping the peace, and it should be respected. End of story. However, as a complete outsider, with no patriotic feelings, or immigration axes to grind, I find the whole Mexican immigration question puzzling. Is breaking the law about shades of gray (no color implications intended)? Even more puzzling is Mexican claims on land rights, which seem more cemented in colonial infractures than real merit. The politics of race needs to be less transparent to be effective.

[34f3f3f]

Who gives a f*** frankly. A news story picks a juicy tit bit and runs with it. Kids going ‘political’, patriotic, whatever. Most likely prompted by xenophobic parents. The school took a decision based on maintaining order, and keeping the peace, and it should be respected. End of story. However, as a complete outsider, with no patriotic feelings, or immigration axes to grind, I find the whole Mexican immigration question puzzling. Is breaking the law about shades of gray (no color implications intended)? Even more puzzling is Mexican claims on land rights, which seem more cemented in colonial infractures than real merit. The politics of race needs to be less transparent to be effective.

[34f3f3f]

Who gives a f*** frankly. A news story picks a juicy tit bit and runs with it. Kids going ‘political’, patriotic, whatever. Most likely prompted by xenophobic parents. The school took a decision based on maintaining order, and keeping the peace, and it should be respected. End of story. However, as a complete outsider, with no patriotic feelings, or immigration axes to grind, I find the whole Mexican immigration question puzzling. Is breaking the law about shades of gray (no color implications intended)? Even more puzzling is Mexican claims on land rights, which seem more cemented in colonial infractures than real merit. The politics of race needs to be less transparent to be effective.

[34f3f3f]

Who gives a f*** frankly. A news story picks a juicy tit bit and runs with it. Kids going ‘political’, patriotic, whatever. Most likely prompted by xenophobic parents. The school took a decision based on maintaining order, and keeping the peace, and it should be respected. End of story. However, as a complete outsider, with no patriotic feelings, or immigration axes to grind, I find the whole Mexican immigration question puzzling. Is breaking the law about shades of gray (no color implications intended)? Even more puzzling is Mexican claims on land rights, which seem more cemented in colonial infractures than real merit. The politics of race needs to be less transparent to be effective.

[34f3f3f]

Who gives a f*** frankly. A news story picks a juicy tit bit and runs with it. Kids going ‘political’, patriotic, whatever. Most likely prompted by xenophobic parents. The school took a decision based on maintaining order, and keeping the peace, and it should be respected. End of story. However, as a complete outsider, with no patriotic feelings, or immigration axes to grind, I find the whole Mexican immigration question puzzling. Is breaking the law about shades of gray (no color implications intended)? Even more puzzling is Mexican claims on land rights, which seem more cemented in colonial infractures than real merit. The politics of race needs to be less transparent to be effective.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

Eugene,

This is also an excellent post, and I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve personally been told by some of my Mexican friends that they “intend to take **their** country back, and they won’t even have to shed a drop of blood in war.” I’ve also heard this in college where the Hispanic students were allowed to have a “Hispanic” house where Hispanic students could exclusively hang out. Can you imagine the uproar if white students had their own “White European” house? The blacks at our college also had their own graduation ceremony if they wanted to graduate “with their own” instead of with the rest of us. All of this was sanctioned and paid for by our public university. Again, what would happen if whites had their own (university-sponsored!) graduation ceremony?

In the face of all this, white Americans are told to shut up about it all, or they’ll be called “racist” (which, apparently, is the worst thing you can be called in our PC world).

Sorry, but the students who were wearing the American flag shirts (just regular Old Navy shirts!), were entirely within their rights. If the Hispanic kids have a problem with the American flag in this country, they can head back over the border where they can celebrate their Mexican ancestry all day, every day. I’m sure they won’t be missed.[/quote]

Like I thought, this is not about the facts of this school event at all.

It’s about perceived injustices and insecurities on that part of some white folks. So they need to grab on to anything that justifies their outrage.

How about accepting and embracing change rather than harboring outrage and anger?

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

Eugene,

This is also an excellent post, and I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve personally been told by some of my Mexican friends that they “intend to take **their** country back, and they won’t even have to shed a drop of blood in war.” I’ve also heard this in college where the Hispanic students were allowed to have a “Hispanic” house where Hispanic students could exclusively hang out. Can you imagine the uproar if white students had their own “White European” house? The blacks at our college also had their own graduation ceremony if they wanted to graduate “with their own” instead of with the rest of us. All of this was sanctioned and paid for by our public university. Again, what would happen if whites had their own (university-sponsored!) graduation ceremony?

In the face of all this, white Americans are told to shut up about it all, or they’ll be called “racist” (which, apparently, is the worst thing you can be called in our PC world).

Sorry, but the students who were wearing the American flag shirts (just regular Old Navy shirts!), were entirely within their rights. If the Hispanic kids have a problem with the American flag in this country, they can head back over the border where they can celebrate their Mexican ancestry all day, every day. I’m sure they won’t be missed.[/quote]

Like I thought, this is not about the facts of this school event at all.

It’s about perceived injustices and insecurities on that part of some white folks. So they need to grab on to anything that justifies their outrage.

How about accepting and embracing change rather than harboring outrage and anger?

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

Eugene,

This is also an excellent post, and I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve personally been told by some of my Mexican friends that they “intend to take **their** country back, and they won’t even have to shed a drop of blood in war.” I’ve also heard this in college where the Hispanic students were allowed to have a “Hispanic” house where Hispanic students could exclusively hang out. Can you imagine the uproar if white students had their own “White European” house? The blacks at our college also had their own graduation ceremony if they wanted to graduate “with their own” instead of with the rest of us. All of this was sanctioned and paid for by our public university. Again, what would happen if whites had their own (university-sponsored!) graduation ceremony?

In the face of all this, white Americans are told to shut up about it all, or they’ll be called “racist” (which, apparently, is the worst thing you can be called in our PC world).

Sorry, but the students who were wearing the American flag shirts (just regular Old Navy shirts!), were entirely within their rights. If the Hispanic kids have a problem with the American flag in this country, they can head back over the border where they can celebrate their Mexican ancestry all day, every day. I’m sure they won’t be missed.[/quote]

Like I thought, this is not about the facts of this school event at all.

It’s about perceived injustices and insecurities on that part of some white folks. So they need to grab on to anything that justifies their outrage.

How about accepting and embracing change rather than harboring outrage and anger?

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

Eugene,

This is also an excellent post, and I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve personally been told by some of my Mexican friends that they “intend to take **their** country back, and they won’t even have to shed a drop of blood in war.” I’ve also heard this in college where the Hispanic students were allowed to have a “Hispanic” house where Hispanic students could exclusively hang out. Can you imagine the uproar if white students had their own “White European” house? The blacks at our college also had their own graduation ceremony if they wanted to graduate “with their own” instead of with the rest of us. All of this was sanctioned and paid for by our public university. Again, what would happen if whites had their own (university-sponsored!) graduation ceremony?

In the face of all this, white Americans are told to shut up about it all, or they’ll be called “racist” (which, apparently, is the worst thing you can be called in our PC world).

Sorry, but the students who were wearing the American flag shirts (just regular Old Navy shirts!), were entirely within their rights. If the Hispanic kids have a problem with the American flag in this country, they can head back over the border where they can celebrate their Mexican ancestry all day, every day. I’m sure they won’t be missed.[/quote]

Like I thought, this is not about the facts of this school event at all.

It’s about perceived injustices and insecurities on that part of some white folks. So they need to grab on to anything that justifies their outrage.

How about accepting and embracing change rather than harboring outrage and anger?

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]

Eugene,

This is also an excellent post, and I couldn’t agree more.

I’ve personally been told by some of my Mexican friends that they “intend to take **their** country back, and they won’t even have to shed a drop of blood in war.” I’ve also heard this in college where the Hispanic students were allowed to have a “Hispanic” house where Hispanic students could exclusively hang out. Can you imagine the uproar if white students had their own “White European” house? The blacks at our college also had their own graduation ceremony if they wanted to graduate “with their own” instead of with the rest of us. All of this was sanctioned and paid for by our public university. Again, what would happen if whites had their own (university-sponsored!) graduation ceremony?

In the face of all this, white Americans are told to shut up about it all, or they’ll be called “racist” (which, apparently, is the worst thing you can be called in our PC world).

Sorry, but the students who were wearing the American flag shirts (just regular Old Navy shirts!), were entirely within their rights. If the Hispanic kids have a problem with the American flag in this country, they can head back over the border where they can celebrate their Mexican ancestry all day, every day. I’m sure they won’t be missed.[/quote]

Like I thought, this is not about the facts of this school event at all.

It’s about perceived injustices and insecurities on that part of some white folks. So they need to grab on to anything that justifies their outrage.

How about accepting and embracing change rather than harboring outrage and anger?

[briansd1]

[quote=scaredycat]i still contend it is tacky to wear a flag t-shirt, just as tacky as a flag hanky. you SWEAT in a t-shirt. it’s gross. why not just have flag underwear…[/quote]

I agree, scaredycat.

When and how to display the flag:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/flagetiquette1.html

[briansd1]

[quote=scaredycat]i still contend it is tacky to wear a flag t-shirt, just as tacky as a flag hanky. you SWEAT in a t-shirt. it’s gross. why not just have flag underwear…[/quote]

I agree, scaredycat.

When and how to display the flag:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/flagetiquette1.html

[briansd1]

[quote=scaredycat]i still contend it is tacky to wear a flag t-shirt, just as tacky as a flag hanky. you SWEAT in a t-shirt. it’s gross. why not just have flag underwear…[/quote]

I agree, scaredycat.

When and how to display the flag:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/flagetiquette1.html

[briansd1]

[quote=scaredycat]i still contend it is tacky to wear a flag t-shirt, just as tacky as a flag hanky. you SWEAT in a t-shirt. it’s gross. why not just have flag underwear…[/quote]

I agree, scaredycat.

When and how to display the flag:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/flagetiquette1.html

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