Am I a racist?

[Anonymous]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=pri_dk][quote]African origin in the US connotes, but does not necessarily denote, descent from slaves.
Descent from slaves can connote lower social class and less affluence.
Lower class can connote propensity toward criminality.
Criminality is undesirable in a tenant.
Here is the problem with that chain:
It is literally true but complete bullshit.
Most welfare recipients are white.
Most criminals are white.
[…][/quote]

Someone needs to revisit their Logic 101 textbook.[/quote]

What was illogical about that statement?[/quote]

I’m actually not sure where to start, but your argument seems to be saying that because most (by total number) criminals are white that whites are more likely to be criminals. You are missing the whole probability thing and I could try to explain it to you but if you can’t figure it out yourself then I probably can’t do any better…

Ok, let’s try this:

Most animal bites are from domesticated dogs. Would you rather be locked in a cage with a daschund or a coyote?

But, for the record, I am against any sort of racial profiling even though sound practical and logical arguments can be made for it (e.g. – let’s not kid ourselves – the person most likely to want to blow up a plane is gonna be an Arab-looking male.)

But I believe it is imperative that we do not sacrifice our liberty (or anyone else’s) for the sake of security and I’m willing to walk the walk (I fly a lot.) We are Americans and we should have the balls to live by our principles.

I hope the OP has the courage to be objective and do the right thing – the world will be a slightly better place if he/she does. At the same time I don’t think any of us are in a position to judge if he does otherwise.

(BTW: I’ve never heard anyone use the word “cleavage” except for, well…I just kept picturing something else in my mind when I read your other post. The cleavages may very well be different in Brazil and I think it warrants further investigation…)

[SK in CV]

[quote=walterwhite]Let’s say 98 percent of Palestinians are on parole. Would an Israel be irrational on crossing the street late at night if a pelestinian approached? What about 80 perc? 60 percent? Is that really racism?[/quote]

Having walked through the streets of Ramallah at 2:00 AM, just me and the other jew in town, I didn’t move to the other side of the street. There were just more Palestinians there. Discussion overheard in the coffee shop the next morning went something like this:

1st Palestinian: Did you see the two crazy jews walking down the street last nite?

2nd Palestinian: Yeah, at least one of them looked f’ing nuts. I wouldn’t f’ with them.

He was right. I was the other one.

[SK in CV]

[quote=walterwhite]Let’s say 98 percent of Palestinians are on parole. Would an Israel be irrational on crossing the street late at night if a pelestinian approached? What about 80 perc? 60 percent? Is that really racism?[/quote]

Having walked through the streets of Ramallah at 2:00 AM, just me and the other jew in town, I didn’t move to the other side of the street. There were just more Palestinians there. Discussion overheard in the coffee shop the next morning went something like this:

1st Palestinian: Did you see the two crazy jews walking down the street last nite?

2nd Palestinian: Yeah, at least one of them looked f’ing nuts. I wouldn’t f’ with them.

He was right. I was the other one.

[SK in CV]

[quote=walterwhite]Let’s say 98 percent of Palestinians are on parole. Would an Israel be irrational on crossing the street late at night if a pelestinian approached? What about 80 perc? 60 percent? Is that really racism?[/quote]

Having walked through the streets of Ramallah at 2:00 AM, just me and the other jew in town, I didn’t move to the other side of the street. There were just more Palestinians there. Discussion overheard in the coffee shop the next morning went something like this:

1st Palestinian: Did you see the two crazy jews walking down the street last nite?

2nd Palestinian: Yeah, at least one of them looked f’ing nuts. I wouldn’t f’ with them.

He was right. I was the other one.

[SK in CV]

[quote=walterwhite]Let’s say 98 percent of Palestinians are on parole. Would an Israel be irrational on crossing the street late at night if a pelestinian approached? What about 80 perc? 60 percent? Is that really racism?[/quote]

Having walked through the streets of Ramallah at 2:00 AM, just me and the other jew in town, I didn’t move to the other side of the street. There were just more Palestinians there. Discussion overheard in the coffee shop the next morning went something like this:

1st Palestinian: Did you see the two crazy jews walking down the street last nite?

2nd Palestinian: Yeah, at least one of them looked f’ing nuts. I wouldn’t f’ with them.

He was right. I was the other one.

[SK in CV]

[quote=walterwhite]Let’s say 98 percent of Palestinians are on parole. Would an Israel be irrational on crossing the street late at night if a pelestinian approached? What about 80 perc? 60 percent? Is that really racism?[/quote]

Having walked through the streets of Ramallah at 2:00 AM, just me and the other jew in town, I didn’t move to the other side of the street. There were just more Palestinians there. Discussion overheard in the coffee shop the next morning went something like this:

1st Palestinian: Did you see the two crazy jews walking down the street last nite?

2nd Palestinian: Yeah, at least one of them looked f’ing nuts. I wouldn’t f’ with them.

He was right. I was the other one.

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Usually if you start a sentence with something similar to, “I’m not a racist BUT…” then you are a racist.

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Usually if you start a sentence with something similar to, “I’m not a racist BUT…” then you are a racist.

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Usually if you start a sentence with something similar to, “I’m not a racist BUT…” then you are a racist.

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Usually if you start a sentence with something similar to, “I’m not a racist BUT…” then you are a racist.

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Usually if you start a sentence with something similar to, “I’m not a racist BUT…” then you are a racist.

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=UCGal][quote=urbanrealtor][

Also, the OP could be sued super-badly by using protected classes.
.[/quote]
Is this true in a roommate situation? The OP said that he was interviewing for a room rental in his house… I thought the fair housing act stuff was applied differently in roommate situations…. but I could be (and often am) wrong.

Regardless, he’s limiting his options for great roommates if he rejects candidates based on ethnicity alone… It’s challenging to find compatible housemates… why eliminate for irrelevent reasons.[/quote]

I actually think there are some exceptions for roommate situations. I don’t recall if they are de jure or de facto exceptions. And I do get that one should be permitted to express idiosyncratic preference if sharing a room.

However, I stand by what I said.

If I were to post a roommate ad and added “NO JEWS PLEASE” I think that I would deserve the hate mail I would get.

I also think that a lawsuit would be in the offing.

Considering how many Jews I am related to, I suspect it would be a shitstorm.[/quote]

I’ve always thought roommate situations were the only exemptions, but from what I can find, it’s even broader than that:

Basic Facts About the Fair Housing Act
What Housing Is Covered?

The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In some circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units, single-family housing sold or rented without the use of a broker, and housing operated by organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy to members.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/FHLaws/yourrights

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=UCGal][quote=urbanrealtor][

Also, the OP could be sued super-badly by using protected classes.
.[/quote]
Is this true in a roommate situation? The OP said that he was interviewing for a room rental in his house… I thought the fair housing act stuff was applied differently in roommate situations…. but I could be (and often am) wrong.

Regardless, he’s limiting his options for great roommates if he rejects candidates based on ethnicity alone… It’s challenging to find compatible housemates… why eliminate for irrelevent reasons.[/quote]

I actually think there are some exceptions for roommate situations. I don’t recall if they are de jure or de facto exceptions. And I do get that one should be permitted to express idiosyncratic preference if sharing a room.

However, I stand by what I said.

If I were to post a roommate ad and added “NO JEWS PLEASE” I think that I would deserve the hate mail I would get.

I also think that a lawsuit would be in the offing.

Considering how many Jews I am related to, I suspect it would be a shitstorm.[/quote]

I’ve always thought roommate situations were the only exemptions, but from what I can find, it’s even broader than that:

Basic Facts About the Fair Housing Act
What Housing Is Covered?

The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In some circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units, single-family housing sold or rented without the use of a broker, and housing operated by organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy to members.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/FHLaws/yourrights

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=UCGal][quote=urbanrealtor][

Also, the OP could be sued super-badly by using protected classes.
.[/quote]
Is this true in a roommate situation? The OP said that he was interviewing for a room rental in his house… I thought the fair housing act stuff was applied differently in roommate situations…. but I could be (and often am) wrong.

Regardless, he’s limiting his options for great roommates if he rejects candidates based on ethnicity alone… It’s challenging to find compatible housemates… why eliminate for irrelevent reasons.[/quote]

I actually think there are some exceptions for roommate situations. I don’t recall if they are de jure or de facto exceptions. And I do get that one should be permitted to express idiosyncratic preference if sharing a room.

However, I stand by what I said.

If I were to post a roommate ad and added “NO JEWS PLEASE” I think that I would deserve the hate mail I would get.

I also think that a lawsuit would be in the offing.

Considering how many Jews I am related to, I suspect it would be a shitstorm.[/quote]

I’ve always thought roommate situations were the only exemptions, but from what I can find, it’s even broader than that:

Basic Facts About the Fair Housing Act
What Housing Is Covered?

The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In some circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units, single-family housing sold or rented without the use of a broker, and housing operated by organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy to members.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/FHLaws/yourrights

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=UCGal][quote=urbanrealtor][

Also, the OP could be sued super-badly by using protected classes.
.[/quote]
Is this true in a roommate situation? The OP said that he was interviewing for a room rental in his house… I thought the fair housing act stuff was applied differently in roommate situations…. but I could be (and often am) wrong.

Regardless, he’s limiting his options for great roommates if he rejects candidates based on ethnicity alone… It’s challenging to find compatible housemates… why eliminate for irrelevent reasons.[/quote]

I actually think there are some exceptions for roommate situations. I don’t recall if they are de jure or de facto exceptions. And I do get that one should be permitted to express idiosyncratic preference if sharing a room.

However, I stand by what I said.

If I were to post a roommate ad and added “NO JEWS PLEASE” I think that I would deserve the hate mail I would get.

I also think that a lawsuit would be in the offing.

Considering how many Jews I am related to, I suspect it would be a shitstorm.[/quote]

I’ve always thought roommate situations were the only exemptions, but from what I can find, it’s even broader than that:

Basic Facts About the Fair Housing Act
What Housing Is Covered?

The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In some circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no more than four units, single-family housing sold or rented without the use of a broker, and housing operated by organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy to members.

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/FHLaws/yourrights

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