Aging population and housing

[FlyerInHi]

CAr, assimilation like in the past is no more.

Multiculturalism is the way of the future. With free communications, nearly free worldwide media, cheap air travel, recent immigrants will always keep contact with their home countries. It’s not like in the past when people wrote letters only once per year, then soon stop writing altogether. Now, they talk on skype everyday!

It’s a better world for everyone; and it’s a better world for immigrants. Immigrants who have education, speak multiple languages, who have attained a measure of financial success are now high-status world citizens. In many ways, through education and business savvy recent immigrants are able to leapfrog long established citizens. That’s where the unease and opposition to immigration comes from. I don’t personally feel anxiety because I’m happy when people succeed, even if my familiar world changes. I’m willing to change and adapt with the world.

Anyway, I think that my version of the future is better and will win out, as progressive ideas always do… eventually.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]

[…] But open borders with countries that have massive numbers of poor/unskilled people who stubbornly insist on clinging to their own cultures (as opposed to trying to assimilate) when living in another country is not a good thing.[/quote]

True, it’s not a good thing.

Fortunately we don’t have that scenario here in the US.[/quote]

As far to clinging to culture, I wonder what people mean by that. People eat burritos, quesadillas and tacos? Seems like good imports because those dishes have become comfort food for Americans. I kinda like the great choices of food compared to 30 years ago.

Is the growth of Univison good? It’s good to have competition for the other TV networks. I suppose it’s a little alienating for people who don’t understand Spanish. But nobody is stopping them from learning.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi]As far to clinging to culture, I wonder what people mean by that.[/quote]

It means that the people who complain about it are bigots.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps only extremists are lobbying for literally open borders. However, all of this talk (mostly from liberals) about immigration “reform” is certainly implying an open border policy. As immigration “reform” really means amnesty.

Well if we as a society are going to say its okay for millions of people to enter the country illegally, break our immigration laws, work illegally (in many cases using fraudulent ID/SSN)and then get rewarded with green card and eventual citizenship, we are basically saying that our existing borders and immigration laws mean nothing.

[Anonymous]

[quote=deadzone]work illegally[/quote]

Which in reality means working incredibly hard to provide useful services while receiving below market wages and living in constant fear of losing the meager standard of living that they have.

But they’re criminals because they faked a government ID number.

[quote] get rewarded with green card and eventual citizenship[/quote]

So they become citizens and continue to work hard, only with less fear and more dignity.

Sounds fair to me. They did a helluva lot more than I did to earn citizenship. Probably more than you did too.

[Anonymous]

Like all nations, we have immigration laws. If you are of the opinion that we should not have such laws, or that the laws should not be enforced, you are basically in favor of open borders.

But being in favor of open borders is extremist and not realistic. Can you name a single developed country with open borders in terms of immigration policy?

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[quote=FlyerInHi]
As far to clinging to culture, I wonder what people mean by that. People eat burritos, quesadillas and tacos? Seems like good imports because those dishes have become comfort food for Americans. I kinda like the great choices of food compared to 30 years ago.
[/quote]

Mexican culture really sucks when I go to Roberto’s or Alberto’s. On the other hand Mexican culture is really out of this world when I visit Las Cuatros Milpas or Lucha Libre. Similarly, can’t stand Japanese culture at Tajima – it’s just awful. But Ramen Yamadaya, now that’s a different story.

[Anonymous]

[quote=deadzone]Like all nations, we have immigration laws. If you are of the opinion that we should not have such laws, or that the laws should not be enforced, you are basically in favor of open borders.

But being in favor of open borders is extremist and not realistic. Can you name a single developed country with open borders in terms of immigration policy?[/quote]

Nobody is saying that immigration laws should not be enforced. Your claim about completely open borders is a strawman.

I am saying that immigration laws should be changed to reflect reality. There is clearly a market for manual labor in the US and there is clearly an underground economy structured around it. Why not make it legitimate for all parties?

[FlyerInHi]

You’re exactly right, Harvey.

I don’t comprehend people who create ideological impasses. No moving forward until ironclad conditions are met. How does that improve our lives?

We should be flexible and compassionate and adjust our laws for humanitarian and economic purposes.

[Anonymous]

The problem is not current laws, it is lack of workplace enforcement. As long as that remains intact, there will always be a “black market” where employers can offer lower than market wages.

[CA renter]

[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]

[…] But open borders with countries that have massive numbers of poor/unskilled people who stubbornly insist on clinging to their own cultures (as opposed to trying to assimilate) when living in another country is not a good thing.[/quote]

True, it’s not a good thing.

Fortunately we don’t have that scenario here in the US.[/quote]

You keep telling yourself that, Harvey.

http://humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-raza/

And before you argue about the source of this information, I can say for a fact that this was promoted on my college campus, and I’ve had Mexican-American friends tell me that the Mexicans were going to “take back” their territory in a bloodless war, simply by out-populating the white Americans. You could also hear about it on Mexican radio in L.A. In the Mexican restaurant that my family frequents, it’s on a poster on the wall, with the timeline from Native American power to current times, and a question mark at the end.

You’re either not paying attention, or you’re just trolling again.

[CA renter]

Start watching this interview at the 5:00 mark, and you’ll see a discussion between Bernie Sanders and Jorge Ramos (who was kicked out of Trump’s event), and it references another interview where the journalist was pushing the issue of open borders. Ramos is trying to push Sanders to discuss opening the borders between North American countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usQ9Pc0GDpU

Seriously, pri, you are simply not aware of what’s going on around you…in so very many ways.

[CA renter]

[quote=harvey][quote=deadzone]Like all nations, we have immigration laws. If you are of the opinion that we should not have such laws, or that the laws should not be enforced, you are basically in favor of open borders.

But being in favor of open borders is extremist and not realistic. Can you name a single developed country with open borders in terms of immigration policy?[/quote]

Nobody is saying that immigration laws should not be enforced. Your claim about completely open borders is a strawman.

I am saying that immigration laws should be changed to reflect reality. There is clearly a market for manual labor in the US and there is clearly an underground economy structured around it. Why not make it legitimate for all parties?[/quote]

The reason for the “shortage” of legal manual labor is the compensation for this type of work. If you believe in the free market, then you would agree that prices should rise until more labor is attracted to that sector.

Illegal immigration is the same thing as offshoring jobs to China. It’s a way for employers to exploit the cheapest, most desperate workers in the world. Corporations benefit, and workers in developed countries lose.

If we had a true demand for this labor, I’d be all for it, but we have surplus labor in this country, not a shortage.

[spdrun]

^^^
This is why we should allow more legal immigrants who are manual laborers — then they’d be subject ot the same minimum wage protections as anyone else in the country.

I don’t see a labor surplus in that part of the economy.

[spdrun]

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