Advice with upgrading an old house

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=Clifford]LuckyInOC,

Thanks for replying. I have a question for you:

– You suggested installing the cabinets before putting in tiles. What’s wrong with putting tiles in first & installing the cabinets on top of the tiles ?[/quote]

The main question is do you plan on changing the cabinets or the tiles first next time?

If you put the cabinets on the tile and you want to replace the tile afterwards, you must then cut the tile next to the cabinets, under the toe-kick. Good Luck!!! Your tile installer will charge you extra to do this. Your cabinet installer will not charge you extra to install the cabinets on tile or rough.

If you put the tile in after the cabinets you can always replace you cabinets if they are in same footprint. If you think not, save some tile for later. When we did our tile, before we did our cabinets, we purchase the whole remaining lot at a discount ($0.99/sf) if we take it all. We had about 150 sf left after our initial install. This came in handy we we redid our kitchen and changed the footprint very slightly. The contractor remove the necessary tile, installed the cabinets, and replaced the removed tile. Look like the kitchen was always there…

We also use tile for the baseboard under cabinets and in bathrooms. Standard wood baseboards get ugly due to frequent wet mopping. And yes, tile under the dishwasher, even if it is not the same tile. Do you know how hard it is to lift the dishwasher over the edge of tile in that little space, if you can even lower the adjustment legs. If not, you may have to cut the legs off to get the dishwasher out. Also, put those easy-gliders on the legs. Dishwasher slides right out with no effort. Works for some ranges too.

Since we have the same tile through out the house (approx. 1200 sf.). Very few Downstairs rooms (Bathroom & Bedroom) could I even think of changing the flooring. There is no easy transition locations for two types of flooring without it looking terrible. If something happens (slab leak, wife changes her mind), I would need to replace most of the downstairs tile.

In general, you have more options when you put the cabinets in first.

Luck In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=UCGal][quote=AN][quote=Clifford]LuckyInOC,

Thanks for replying. I have a question for you:

– You suggested installing the cabinets before putting in tiles. What’s wrong with putting tiles in first & installing the cabinets on top of the tiles ?[/quote]
You don’t want to install first because it’ll cost you more than it need to be. Since the cabinet need to be screw/nail to the ground, it would crack/break the tile underneath anyways. If you have expensive tile, hired someone to install your tile, and have a lot of cabinets, it would be quite a bit of wasted money.

Check out these guys for good quality at reasonable price: http://www.citycabinetcenter.com/%5B/quote%5D

Our cabinets aren’t screwed into the slab. We discussed back and forth whether to tile under the cabinets and decided to compromise… we tiled under the dishwasher- but the storage cabinets have just slab underneath.

Our cabinets are attached to the wall, but not the floor. Both for our house and for the granny flat we just built.[/quote]

UCGal,

You may need to attach cabinets to the floor if you have a Island and/or Peninsula. Cabinets need to be attach to prevent movement in all axis (X,Y,Z). For Island and/or Peninsula cabinets, there is no wall for attachment.

As for cabinet construction, unless have a very high-end home, MDF with wood facing is perfectly good for kitchen cabinets. The only exceptions would be sink bases, islands, and end of peninsulas. The sink base should be all plywood to prevent any water damage. islands and end of peninsulas should be at least plywood sides or all plywood.

We used Kraftmaid from Lowe’s, HD had same. All as mentioned above with dove-tail drawers and auto-closers. Over $9000 retail, we paid $7800 with all discounts (10 bases, 6 walls), not real fancy with toffee finish. We needed their special blind return cabinet.

Our 2700sf home purchased for $617k FSBO(Dec-2005). Zillow: $524k, County Tax: $483k. Myself: $500k. If you spend more 1-3% of home value on kitchen cabinets you probably will not get your money back. So I don’t get ‘were you crazy!!!’ comments, I sold 1st home 1400sf in Apr-2007 for $590k. That’s why a call myself…

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=UCGal][quote=AN][quote=Clifford]LuckyInOC,

Thanks for replying. I have a question for you:

– You suggested installing the cabinets before putting in tiles. What’s wrong with putting tiles in first & installing the cabinets on top of the tiles ?[/quote]
You don’t want to install first because it’ll cost you more than it need to be. Since the cabinet need to be screw/nail to the ground, it would crack/break the tile underneath anyways. If you have expensive tile, hired someone to install your tile, and have a lot of cabinets, it would be quite a bit of wasted money.

Check out these guys for good quality at reasonable price: http://www.citycabinetcenter.com/%5B/quote%5D

Our cabinets aren’t screwed into the slab. We discussed back and forth whether to tile under the cabinets and decided to compromise… we tiled under the dishwasher- but the storage cabinets have just slab underneath.

Our cabinets are attached to the wall, but not the floor. Both for our house and for the granny flat we just built.[/quote]

UCGal,

You may need to attach cabinets to the floor if you have a Island and/or Peninsula. Cabinets need to be attach to prevent movement in all axis (X,Y,Z). For Island and/or Peninsula cabinets, there is no wall for attachment.

As for cabinet construction, unless have a very high-end home, MDF with wood facing is perfectly good for kitchen cabinets. The only exceptions would be sink bases, islands, and end of peninsulas. The sink base should be all plywood to prevent any water damage. islands and end of peninsulas should be at least plywood sides or all plywood.

We used Kraftmaid from Lowe’s, HD had same. All as mentioned above with dove-tail drawers and auto-closers. Over $9000 retail, we paid $7800 with all discounts (10 bases, 6 walls), not real fancy with toffee finish. We needed their special blind return cabinet.

Our 2700sf home purchased for $617k FSBO(Dec-2005). Zillow: $524k, County Tax: $483k. Myself: $500k. If you spend more 1-3% of home value on kitchen cabinets you probably will not get your money back. So I don’t get ‘were you crazy!!!’ comments, I sold 1st home 1400sf in Apr-2007 for $590k. That’s why a call myself…

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=UCGal][quote=AN][quote=Clifford]LuckyInOC,

Thanks for replying. I have a question for you:

– You suggested installing the cabinets before putting in tiles. What’s wrong with putting tiles in first & installing the cabinets on top of the tiles ?[/quote]
You don’t want to install first because it’ll cost you more than it need to be. Since the cabinet need to be screw/nail to the ground, it would crack/break the tile underneath anyways. If you have expensive tile, hired someone to install your tile, and have a lot of cabinets, it would be quite a bit of wasted money.

Check out these guys for good quality at reasonable price: http://www.citycabinetcenter.com/%5B/quote%5D

Our cabinets aren’t screwed into the slab. We discussed back and forth whether to tile under the cabinets and decided to compromise… we tiled under the dishwasher- but the storage cabinets have just slab underneath.

Our cabinets are attached to the wall, but not the floor. Both for our house and for the granny flat we just built.[/quote]

UCGal,

You may need to attach cabinets to the floor if you have a Island and/or Peninsula. Cabinets need to be attach to prevent movement in all axis (X,Y,Z). For Island and/or Peninsula cabinets, there is no wall for attachment.

As for cabinet construction, unless have a very high-end home, MDF with wood facing is perfectly good for kitchen cabinets. The only exceptions would be sink bases, islands, and end of peninsulas. The sink base should be all plywood to prevent any water damage. islands and end of peninsulas should be at least plywood sides or all plywood.

We used Kraftmaid from Lowe’s, HD had same. All as mentioned above with dove-tail drawers and auto-closers. Over $9000 retail, we paid $7800 with all discounts (10 bases, 6 walls), not real fancy with toffee finish. We needed their special blind return cabinet.

Our 2700sf home purchased for $617k FSBO(Dec-2005). Zillow: $524k, County Tax: $483k. Myself: $500k. If you spend more 1-3% of home value on kitchen cabinets you probably will not get your money back. So I don’t get ‘were you crazy!!!’ comments, I sold 1st home 1400sf in Apr-2007 for $590k. That’s why a call myself…

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=UCGal][quote=AN][quote=Clifford]LuckyInOC,

Thanks for replying. I have a question for you:

– You suggested installing the cabinets before putting in tiles. What’s wrong with putting tiles in first & installing the cabinets on top of the tiles ?[/quote]
You don’t want to install first because it’ll cost you more than it need to be. Since the cabinet need to be screw/nail to the ground, it would crack/break the tile underneath anyways. If you have expensive tile, hired someone to install your tile, and have a lot of cabinets, it would be quite a bit of wasted money.

Check out these guys for good quality at reasonable price: http://www.citycabinetcenter.com/%5B/quote%5D

Our cabinets aren’t screwed into the slab. We discussed back and forth whether to tile under the cabinets and decided to compromise… we tiled under the dishwasher- but the storage cabinets have just slab underneath.

Our cabinets are attached to the wall, but not the floor. Both for our house and for the granny flat we just built.[/quote]

UCGal,

You may need to attach cabinets to the floor if you have a Island and/or Peninsula. Cabinets need to be attach to prevent movement in all axis (X,Y,Z). For Island and/or Peninsula cabinets, there is no wall for attachment.

As for cabinet construction, unless have a very high-end home, MDF with wood facing is perfectly good for kitchen cabinets. The only exceptions would be sink bases, islands, and end of peninsulas. The sink base should be all plywood to prevent any water damage. islands and end of peninsulas should be at least plywood sides or all plywood.

We used Kraftmaid from Lowe’s, HD had same. All as mentioned above with dove-tail drawers and auto-closers. Over $9000 retail, we paid $7800 with all discounts (10 bases, 6 walls), not real fancy with toffee finish. We needed their special blind return cabinet.

Our 2700sf home purchased for $617k FSBO(Dec-2005). Zillow: $524k, County Tax: $483k. Myself: $500k. If you spend more 1-3% of home value on kitchen cabinets you probably will not get your money back. So I don’t get ‘were you crazy!!!’ comments, I sold 1st home 1400sf in Apr-2007 for $590k. That’s why a call myself…

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

[quote=UCGal][quote=AN][quote=Clifford]LuckyInOC,

Thanks for replying. I have a question for you:

– You suggested installing the cabinets before putting in tiles. What’s wrong with putting tiles in first & installing the cabinets on top of the tiles ?[/quote]
You don’t want to install first because it’ll cost you more than it need to be. Since the cabinet need to be screw/nail to the ground, it would crack/break the tile underneath anyways. If you have expensive tile, hired someone to install your tile, and have a lot of cabinets, it would be quite a bit of wasted money.

Check out these guys for good quality at reasonable price: http://www.citycabinetcenter.com/%5B/quote%5D

Our cabinets aren’t screwed into the slab. We discussed back and forth whether to tile under the cabinets and decided to compromise… we tiled under the dishwasher- but the storage cabinets have just slab underneath.

Our cabinets are attached to the wall, but not the floor. Both for our house and for the granny flat we just built.[/quote]

UCGal,

You may need to attach cabinets to the floor if you have a Island and/or Peninsula. Cabinets need to be attach to prevent movement in all axis (X,Y,Z). For Island and/or Peninsula cabinets, there is no wall for attachment.

As for cabinet construction, unless have a very high-end home, MDF with wood facing is perfectly good for kitchen cabinets. The only exceptions would be sink bases, islands, and end of peninsulas. The sink base should be all plywood to prevent any water damage. islands and end of peninsulas should be at least plywood sides or all plywood.

We used Kraftmaid from Lowe’s, HD had same. All as mentioned above with dove-tail drawers and auto-closers. Over $9000 retail, we paid $7800 with all discounts (10 bases, 6 walls), not real fancy with toffee finish. We needed their special blind return cabinet.

Our 2700sf home purchased for $617k FSBO(Dec-2005). Zillow: $524k, County Tax: $483k. Myself: $500k. If you spend more 1-3% of home value on kitchen cabinets you probably will not get your money back. So I don’t get ‘were you crazy!!!’ comments, I sold 1st home 1400sf in Apr-2007 for $590k. That’s why a call myself…

Lucky In OC

[Anonymous]

Hello, I work for City Cabinet Center and we appreciate the compliments especially from Clifford. Thanks. We really do put forth every effort to offer only quality products while keeping our cost competitive so we are happy to see it is appreciated.
I did want to clarify a misconception we use hardened metal clips not the plastic clips. The writer may have been confused with the plastic shelf clips (which is standard in the industry). CCC prefers to assemble their RTA (ready to assemble) cabinets in order to maintain quality control.

Also, we carry more than just RTA cabinets such as American brands Schrock, Kitchen Kraft, Aristokraft, Holiday, Legacy, Euro…cabinets to meet various budget price points and styles.

We are here to help if you would like to come visit our showroom…our prices are great, we offer only quality products and our installers and designers are consummate professionals.

http://www.citycabinetcenter.com Happy Remodeling!

[Anonymous]

Hello, I work for City Cabinet Center and we appreciate the compliments especially from Clifford. Thanks. We really do put forth every effort to offer only quality products while keeping our cost competitive so we are happy to see it is appreciated.
I did want to clarify a misconception we use hardened metal clips not the plastic clips. The writer may have been confused with the plastic shelf clips (which is standard in the industry). CCC prefers to assemble their RTA (ready to assemble) cabinets in order to maintain quality control.

Also, we carry more than just RTA cabinets such as American brands Schrock, Kitchen Kraft, Aristokraft, Holiday, Legacy, Euro…cabinets to meet various budget price points and styles.

We are here to help if you would like to come visit our showroom…our prices are great, we offer only quality products and our installers and designers are consummate professionals.

http://www.citycabinetcenter.com Happy Remodeling!

[Anonymous]

Hello, I work for City Cabinet Center and we appreciate the compliments especially from Clifford. Thanks. We really do put forth every effort to offer only quality products while keeping our cost competitive so we are happy to see it is appreciated.
I did want to clarify a misconception we use hardened metal clips not the plastic clips. The writer may have been confused with the plastic shelf clips (which is standard in the industry). CCC prefers to assemble their RTA (ready to assemble) cabinets in order to maintain quality control.

Also, we carry more than just RTA cabinets such as American brands Schrock, Kitchen Kraft, Aristokraft, Holiday, Legacy, Euro…cabinets to meet various budget price points and styles.

We are here to help if you would like to come visit our showroom…our prices are great, we offer only quality products and our installers and designers are consummate professionals.

http://www.citycabinetcenter.com Happy Remodeling!

[Anonymous]

Hello, I work for City Cabinet Center and we appreciate the compliments especially from Clifford. Thanks. We really do put forth every effort to offer only quality products while keeping our cost competitive so we are happy to see it is appreciated.
I did want to clarify a misconception we use hardened metal clips not the plastic clips. The writer may have been confused with the plastic shelf clips (which is standard in the industry). CCC prefers to assemble their RTA (ready to assemble) cabinets in order to maintain quality control.

Also, we carry more than just RTA cabinets such as American brands Schrock, Kitchen Kraft, Aristokraft, Holiday, Legacy, Euro…cabinets to meet various budget price points and styles.

We are here to help if you would like to come visit our showroom…our prices are great, we offer only quality products and our installers and designers are consummate professionals.

http://www.citycabinetcenter.com Happy Remodeling!

[Anonymous]

Hello, I work for City Cabinet Center and we appreciate the compliments especially from Clifford. Thanks. We really do put forth every effort to offer only quality products while keeping our cost competitive so we are happy to see it is appreciated.
I did want to clarify a misconception we use hardened metal clips not the plastic clips. The writer may have been confused with the plastic shelf clips (which is standard in the industry). CCC prefers to assemble their RTA (ready to assemble) cabinets in order to maintain quality control.

Also, we carry more than just RTA cabinets such as American brands Schrock, Kitchen Kraft, Aristokraft, Holiday, Legacy, Euro…cabinets to meet various budget price points and styles.

We are here to help if you would like to come visit our showroom…our prices are great, we offer only quality products and our installers and designers are consummate professionals.

http://www.citycabinetcenter.com Happy Remodeling!

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