about switching jobs…

[an]

[quote=sdrealtor]
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.

Wayne Gretzky[/quote]
100% agree with this and this is the exact lesson I instill in my kids. The other lesson is, own and work hard on the things you can control while let things you can’t control go. You can’t control how high your IQ is or how big and strong you are. But you have 100% control on your attitude when faced with failure and how you recover from failure. you can 100% control in how hard you work, how much personal responsibility and ownership you have on the things that you do, and how you treat other people.

[an]

[quote=Coronita]Those that had a problem with the take home assignment usually didnt want to do it because they werent qualified, becauses alternatively we offered an in person interview that just asked tech questions, and they didnt do very well there too.[/quote]
I hate take home. If you give me in person tech questions, I’d take that any day. If you don’t give me that option, then I would have turn down that opportunity. I’ve been fortunate to never have to do a take home. Luckily, a huge chunk of my career has been people who have worked with me in the past pulling me in, so I don’t have to interview. I hate interview, just like I hate taking tests at school.

[Coronita]

[quote=an][quote=Coronita]Those that had a problem with the take home assignment usually didnt want to do it because they werent qualified, becauses alternatively we offered an in person interview that just asked tech questions, and they didnt do very well there too.[/quote]
I hate take home. If you give me in person tech questions, I’d take that any day. If you don’t give me that option, then I would have turn down that opportunity. I’ve been fortunate to never have to do a take home. Luckily, a huge chunk of my career has been people who have worked with me in the past pulling me in, so I don’t have to interview. I hate interview, just like I hate taking tests at school.[/quote]

I had to do take home a few times. I prefer that than the in person whiteboarding interviews. But we do offer both, and let the candidate pick 9/10 of the candidate takes the take home. The take home takes about 2 hours, that’s about it.

We don’t grill our candidates. Part of the team panel is also to see how they get along with the other engineers in a work setting. So even if someone doesn’t know how to do something, my engineers help guide the candidate through the question, they kinda brainstorm together in the project on different things. Some engineers jump in and write some of the code to show how to do something.

But yeah, I got a lot of flak from senior management about potential good candidates turning down the takehome interview and not being interested.

I think with most of the younger engineers, they seem to prefer the take home and working with my engineers through the interview. The feedback I got was, it was a lot less stressful and didn’t feel like it was an interview. They also like seeing some diversity on the team. My lead IOS engineer is 26-7, has been writing code since he was in high school from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Really smart kid. He’s working on his part time MBA from UCSD also. He complains that the younger “kids” these days code way too fast and he’s having a hard time keeping up with them, lol. I agree. One of my new hires is a fresh college grad and a really quick learner. She started out in a JC and then transferred to 4 year school with a top rank CS dept. She did an internship in Vietnam with a company doing IOS apps, and her take home assignment was way better than a lot of seasoned engineers.

I think the main thing is regardless of which style is your interview, just dont be an asshole interviewer. we’ve all experienced them at some point.

[an]

[quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=Coronita]Those that had a problem with the take home assignment usually didnt want to do it because they werent qualified, becauses alternatively we offered an in person interview that just asked tech questions, and they didnt do very well there too.[/quote]
I hate take home. If you give me in person tech questions, I’d take that any day. If you don’t give me that option, then I would have turn down that opportunity. I’ve been fortunate to never have to do a take home. Luckily, a huge chunk of my career has been people who have worked with me in the past pulling me in, so I don’t have to interview. I hate interview, just like I hate taking tests at school.[/quote]

I had to do take home a few times. I prefer that than the in person whiteboarding interviews. But we do offer both, and let the candidate pick 9/10 of the candidate takes the take home. The take home takes about 2 hours, that’s about it.

We don’t grill our candidates. Part of the team panel is also to see how they get along with the other engineers in a work setting. So even if someone doesn’t know how to do something, my engineers help guide the candidate through the question, they kinda brainstorm together in the project on different things. Some engineers jump in and write some of the code to show how to do something.

But yeah, I got a lot of flak from senior management about potential good candidates turning down the takehome interview and not being interested.

I think with most of the younger engineers, they seem to prefer the take home and working with my engineers through the interview. The feedback I got was, it was a lot less stressful and didn’t feel like it was an interview. They also like seeing some diversity on the team. My lead IOS engineer is 26-7, has been writing code since he was in high school from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Really smart kid. He’s working on his part time MBA from UCSD also. He complains that the younger “kids” these days code way too fast and he’s having a hard time keeping up with them, lol. I agree. One of my new hires is a fresh college grad and a really quick learner. She started out in a JC and then transferred to 4 year school with a top rank CS dept. She did an internship in Vietnam with a company doing IOS apps, and her take home assignment was way better than a lot of seasoned engineers.

I think the main thing is regardless of which style is your interview, just dont be an asshole interviewer. we’ve all experienced them at some point.[/quote]
I agree and to me, this is the key point I think the main thing is regardless of which style is your interview, just dont be an asshole interviewer.

[Andrew32]

The company I work for now is 5 former QC engineers. Different markets, different projects than what they did at QC. But they did it as a side-hustle for 1-2 years before taking the leap.

Been a long haul but I bet they have enough equity remaining among them each to 5-10x a 40 year QC career when they exit. And they’ll do it in 25% of that timeframe. Not for the faint of heart and high probability of failure, but when it works, it’s impressive. And in most cases, that job is still there if it fails.

[Coronita]

[quote=Andrew32]The company I work for now is 5 former QC engineers. Different markets, different projects than what they did at QC. But they did it as a side-hustle for 1-2 years before taking the leap.

Been a long haul but I bet they have enough equity remaining among them each to 5-10x a 40 year QC career when they exit. And they’ll do it in 25% of that timeframe. Not for the faint of heart and high probability of failure, but when it works, it’s impressive. And in most cases, that job is still there if it fails.[/quote]

I have old colleagues that are still managers and directors in corporate R&D at qualcomm. unlike other parts of the company, this is known as the “countryclub group” because I think only in this group are you paid (and RSU vesting) to build shit that never has to see real production use. It’s all prototype and in some cases they are technology demos looking for a business problem to solve…. If that sounds backwards, it’s because it is. anyway, the countryclub mentality is to do enough to rest and vest and since things are only for a demo and not needed for production, you never need to worry about support past a demo or 2…Not my cup of tea, but the resting and vesting is a compelling reason.

I’m pretty confident there are plenty of people moonlighting in that group.

Heck they have time to debate whether people should show up in person for work or continue working remotely. And there’s people who refuse to get a vaccine and refuse to wear a mask because they don’t want to feel discriminated against if they show up in the office and get seen wearing a mask, and people will avoid contact with them. And yet they don’t want to get vaccinated or feel they need to get vaccinated since a lot think this virus is still a hoax.. And then you have the vaccinated people who want other people to get vaccinated and/or wear a mask, who don’t feel comfortable showing up for work unless there is a vaccine/mask requirement. And they’ve been debating this back and forth for some time now.. And then there was a suggestion that company could create a non-vaccinated area and a vaccinated area… And of course you can’t seggregate the vaccinated from the non-vaccinated into two parts of the office, because of course the non-vaccinated people are complaining they would be discriminated against since requiring non-vaccinated to wear a mask, you can easily tell who is vaccinated and who isn’t and those that aren’t they don’t want to be isolated from their peers…..the company of course has to balance this, because if someone does spread covid in the office because people were asked to go back to the office and work, it could be a liability issue since it’s unlikely a company will be perfect in safe handling of people in the office, and if anyone wants to look for a negligence or unsafe work condition, they probably could find it if they really wanted to. I don’t envy being an employer right now.

Ah yes. Everything there is to know about pain in the ass american workers….Kinda funny, only at a big company. If it was me and my company. I’d require a vaccination and mask, and if anyone has a problem with it, they can work from home and if they still have a problem with that, they can quit.

[Coronita]

Dan Price is spot on

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[an]

[quote=Coronita]Dan Price is spot on

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There are many things I disagree with him about, but on this topic/post, I whole heartedly agree. I rather have an employee that work 20 hours and output 2x the amount of work as another who spend 40 hours.

[Coronita]

[quote=an][quote=Coronita]Dan Price is spot on

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There are many things I disagree with him about, but on this topic/post, I whole heartedly agree. I rather have an employee that work 20 hours and output 2x the amount of work as another who spend 40 hours.[/quote]

ditto. I think his intentions are good, but I don’t agree with everything he says. This is one of them I agree with.

The interesting part that I’m finding out as I talk to some companies these days. The question I get is “what is your experience with managing a remote team, and are you ok with this if this is a permanent arrangement….”

Other companies have the neutral stance “we don’t know what the company will finally decide, but when it’s decided we expect all management team members to tow the company line”…..

It’s very interesting how companies are trying to tackle this problem…Some have seemed to embraced the idea that this change is permanent and they want people with this mindset. Others are basically saying, we don’t know but we expect you to go along with the final decision.

[an]

[quote=Coronita]ditto. I think his intentions are good, but I don’t agree with everything he says. This is one of them I agree with.

The interesting part that I’m finding out as I talk to some companies these days. The question I get is “what is your experience with managing a remote team, and are you ok with this if this is a permanent arrangement….”

Other companies have the neutral stance “we don’t know what the company will finally decide, but when it’s decided we expect all management team members to tow the company line”…..

It’s very interesting how companies are trying to tackle this problem…Some have seemed to embraced the idea that this change is permanent and they want people with this mindset. Others are basically saying, we don’t know but we expect you to go along with the final decision.[/quote]
For the companies that ask people to tow the company line before they join but won’t give them the company line to tow, they’ll get a “yes, of course”. But when the company line get solidify, if it doesn’t match up w/ the employee’s expectation, they’ll leave if they can.

[Coronita]

Lol…

Going back to work video… This was hysterical

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