about switching jobs…

[Coronita]

[quote=an][quote=deadzone][quote=an]
As for pay, who here is suggesting that you’ll be getting paid bay area pay living in Montana?[/quote]

Common theme on here pushed by several people is that Bay area folks are moving to San Diego while keeping their Bay Area salaries and that is somehow the main reason behind SD real estate prices going up.[/quote]
Why did you assume that people will get to keep their bay area pay?[/quote]

well, qualcomm is paying a good deal of money to poach apple people from sunnyvale/cupertino to here to work on the snapdragon… i am confident that they were not asked to take a pay cut.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=deadzone]yes Linkedin is a popular and useful service. But at the end of the day it is just a website. How many Engineers to you really need to maintain Linkedin? A negligible number compared to a real company like say Apple or Tesla.[/quote]
OMG, that’s the funniest $hit I’ve heard in a very long while.[/quote]

lol… i know.. its just html…[/quote]

When you are still working with punch cards on legacy systems isnt it all html?

[sdrealtor]

[quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=deadzone][quote=an]
As for pay, who here is suggesting that you’ll be getting paid bay area pay living in Montana?[/quote]

Common theme on here pushed by several people is that Bay area folks are moving to San Diego while keeping their Bay Area salaries and that is somehow the main reason behind SD real estate prices going up.[/quote]
Why did you assume that people will get to keep their bay area pay?[/quote]

well, qualcomm is paying a good deal of money to poach apple people from sunnyvale/cupertino to here to work on the snapdragon… i am confident that they were not asked to take a pay cut.[/quote]

My new neighbors seem to be pretty happy. He got a better job at qcom at a better company than he left and she kept her VP title for Bay Area company. They have had company almost every day and it sounds like a non-stop party next door. They keep apologizing for the noise. I keep telling them I love hearing the sound of laughter, music and fun. Even if they took pay cuts their quality of life took a big step up. With all the visitors they keep getting I suspect they will have friends joining them here in no time

[an]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=deadzone]yes Linkedin is a popular and useful service. But at the end of the day it is just a website. How many Engineers to you really need to maintain Linkedin? A negligible number compared to a real company like say Apple or Tesla.[/quote]
OMG, that’s the funniest $hit I’ve heard in a very long while.[/quote]

lol… i know.. its just html…[/quote]

When you are still working with punch cards on legacy systems isnt it all html?[/quote]
Yep, Google, Facebook, etc. included

[Coronita]

[quote=an][quote=sdrealtor][quote=Coronita][quote=an][quote=deadzone]yes Linkedin is a popular and useful service. But at the end of the day it is just a website. How many Engineers to you really need to maintain Linkedin? A negligible number compared to a real company like say Apple or Tesla.[/quote]
OMG, that’s the funniest $hit I’ve heard in a very long while.[/quote]

lol… i know.. its just html…[/quote]

When you are still working with punch cards on legacy systems isnt it all html?[/quote]
Yep, Google, Facebook, etc. included[/quote]

You know…. If you still know how to program in COBOL, you probably have a very lucrative niche market. Because a lot of state and federal IT still use COBOL and are stuck using it for some time, particularly ones that deal with accounting…. Just saying….

Here’s a contractor gig in San Diego.
https://g.co/kgs/Qvfgp1

and another
https://g.co/kgs/7VBBMX

and another in irvine
https://g.co/kgs/8zuFuy

And fun fact. A lot of state’s unemployment systems I think were still using COBOL…
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/14/21219561/coronavirus-pandemic-unemployment-systems-cobol-legacy-software-infrastructure

However, working remote might be a problem. Not sure if mainframe allows you to easily and securely remote in to the system to work.. So these will mostly be onsite, butt in office seat only jobs… I’m not kidding….

BUT, you should be able to get paid pretty darn well, I’d say better than mobile engineers. Afterall, not many dinosaurs left that know how to program in COBOL

In office work most likely required… Just look at the JD’s…

[sdrealtor]

Better yet. Take all three jobs!

[utcsox]

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-07-31/employers-bow-down-to-tech-workers-in-hottest-job-market

Sounds like flu is right on the tele-work and hiring challenge face by the local tech companies.

“To win a bid on a quality engineer, companies are offering things such as flexible hours, sign-on bonuses and permanent remote work, the last of which has become a requirement for much of the workforce. Dice, a website and staffing firm that focuses on tech talent, published a report in June that found only 17% of technologists wanted to work in an office full time, while 59% wanted remote and hybrid approaches.”

“If it was hard to hire talent 18 months ago — and now you cut the group you’re going for in half — it’s going to be really tough for you,” Wayne said.”

[Coronita]

[quote=utcsox]https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-07-31/employers-bow-down-to-tech-workers-in-hottest-job-market

Sounds like flu is right on the tele-work and hiring challenge face by the local tech companies.

“To win a bid on a quality engineer, companies are offering things such as flexible hours, sign-on bonuses and permanent remote work, the last of which has become a requirement for much of the workforce. Dice, a website and staffing firm that focuses on tech talent, published a report in June that found only 17% of technologists wanted to work in an office full time, while 59% wanted remote and hybrid approaches.”

“If it was hard to hire talent 18 months ago — and now you cut the group you’re going for in half — it’s going to be really tough for you,” Wayne said.”[/quote]

well, im just explaining what I went though to get all my mobile engineering open reqs filled. It was really hard but nowhere near how hard it probably is now. Its a tradeoff. Pay a lot of money or offer flexibility or a combination of both. and make sure you figure out a way to retain people. My attrition rate is 0.0% , unlike any other department. Im sure though that will be closer to 50% once I leave.

Honestly, its better to be a good mobile engineer than in management right now. You can easily find more jobs that pay as well as a director from some remote opportunities..and you have a lot more to pick from with a lot less stress. If all i cared about with was money, id probably cross back over to just being pure technical and take advantage of the job market…the thought did cross my mind…

I got into so many pissing matches my with senior management and even the CFO. There’s this one engineer that at the beginning of covid, I was asked to layoff, because he was an engineer in Mexico City that we hired awhile ago and paid him $100k to work out of mexico city which is 4x what a local employee makes. He was originally only suppose to be hired as a contractor but they made a mistake and made him an FTE. His english is good and his skills excellent. Well, when we were acquired, the new management didn’t like how he was 4x above the rest of the workers in mexico and they wanted him to either take a local mexican wage or move to the US… Well having him move to the US, we would have to bring him to $130-40k/year and it was a lose lose situation for him and us, and after arguing about leaving the situation alone and just let him work remotely, they finally wanted to try to lay him off last year because they didn’t want to deal with this…Well the funny part was they couldn’t figure out how to do this because their are specific employment laws in Mexico that doesn’t allow employees to easily just get laidoff, like here in the US, so it took them 30 days to figure it out and by the time they were ready to lay him off, I had already stuck him on a customer project and in front of customers, that they couldn’t exactly terminate him, lol… So here I was getting yelled at for doing this… And fast forward today…He’s the most affordable engineer, all the VP’s like his performance, and now they are mum silent on what I did… Because while $100k in Mexico City allows him to live like a king with a live in driver, housekeeper, nanny, in a $200/month rent for a large house….You aren’t going to find a comparable senior engineer anywhere close to $100k/year in the US….So of course, now that we went through the hiring process, all the exec are silent on what happened…Go figure….lol….

It’s actually kind of funny. When I make a decision, I get a lot of flack and scorn for doing what I do. But if I wait a few weeks or month, no one complains about the outcome….story of my life…

[Anonymous]

I’m curious what specific background and training is required to be a “mobile engineer”? I suspect big part of the challenge of recruiting is that truly qualified folks have to have significant industry experience and there is a limited pool of those folks forcing you to poach.

Is an Engineering degree really needed for most of this work? Engineering school is very math intensive, I highly doubt that solving differential equations has any relevance on the development of mobile apps for an iphone. Do you only look at folks with certain college degrees or is that not even a pre-requisite?

[an]

[quote=deadzone]I’m curious what specific background and training is required to be a “mobile engineer”? I suspect big part of the challenge of recruiting is that truly qualified folks have to have significant industry experience and there is a limited pool of those folks forcing you to poach.

Is an Engineering degree really needed for most of this work? Engineering school is very math intensive, I highly doubt that solving differential equations has any relevance on the development of mobile apps for an iphone. Do you only look at folks with certain college degrees or is that not even a pre-requisite?[/quote]
“mobile engineer” is an extremely broad term. No one hire a “mobile engineer”. There’s android and iOS. There’s lower level OS apps and there are user facing apps that have a lot more UI/UX. Each of those have different needs.

[Anonymous]

[quote=an][quote=deadzone]I’m curious what specific background and training is required to be a “mobile engineer”? I suspect big part of the challenge of recruiting is that truly qualified folks have to have significant industry experience and there is a limited pool of those folks forcing you to poach.

Is an Engineering degree really needed for most of this work? Engineering school is very math intensive, I highly doubt that solving differential equations has any relevance on the development of mobile apps for an iphone. Do you only look at folks with certain college degrees or is that not even a pre-requisite?[/quote]
“mobile engineer” is an extremely broad term. No one hire a “mobile engineer”. There’s android and iOS. There’s lower level OS apps and there are user facing apps that have a lot more UI/UX. Each of those have different needs.[/quote]

FLU is the one who uses the term, but yes there is ios and android, I would expect someone who is capable of programming on one could easily learn the other given some time. Also it seems obvious that you don’t go to college to learn ios or android specifically so that experience must come from industry.

[Coronita]

[quote=deadzone]I’m curious what specific background and training is required to be a “mobile engineer”? I suspect big part of the challenge of recruiting is that truly qualified folks have to have significant industry experience and there is a limited pool of those folks forcing you to poach.

Is an Engineering degree really needed for most of this work? Engineering school is very math intensive, I highly doubt that solving differential equations has any relevance on the development of mobile apps for an iphone. Do you only look at folks with certain college degrees or is that not even a pre-requisite?[/quote]

sorry, trade secret. Well theres people who take classes ar those DeVry or FullSailUniversity that pretend to be able to mobile engineer, and then theres people who know javascript and angular or react native that might pass as a mobile engineer at some companies that arent trying to do native apps, and then theres the rest of us that went to a prestigious ivy league school, got a 4.2gpa in a very difficult engineering major like electrical engineering, and majored in a very difficult specialization like DSP and communication systems, information theory….and then was hired by qualcomm after a days worth of grueling technical interviews….and started a job…by pulling cables out of telco equipment to test fault tolerance…and told to get a masters and wait 2 more years before writing software…

…but then, basically gave the middle finger to the employer that was standing in your way of what you wanted to really do, took 2 software engineering classes at UCSD extension, motivated yourself to self teach yourself through countless reading, coding, hands on examples of prototypes, and often free work for your friends who needed help, or volunteer to do hackathon projects at work beyond your regular assigned work…and then through a little motivation, easily found someone to hire you because you demonstrated a lot more motivation than the average US worker that sits in their ass and lets their skills waste away. Had i known that, i would have skipped the fancy ivy league school, kept the $100k money my parents spent, go to a great school like UCSD or CalPoly San Luis Obpisbo , got the same if not better education for 1/4 the cost with a merit based scholarship, and come out with the same outcome …of making more money from stock market and real estate….so that it allows me to do what i enjoy doing…software and fixing cars…..

.. in other words, i have no career advice for you…because im pretty fucked up…

[Anonymous]

[quote=Coronita][quote=deadzone]I’m curious what specific background and training is required to be a “mobile engineer”? I suspect big part of the challenge of recruiting is that truly qualified folks have to have significant industry experience and there is a limited pool of those folks forcing you to poach.

Is an Engineering degree really needed for most of this work? Engineering school is very math intensive, I highly doubt that solving differential equations has any relevance on the development of mobile apps for an iphone. Do you only look at folks with certain college degrees or is that not even a pre-requisite?[/quote]

sorry, trade secret. Well theres people who take classes ar those DeVry or FullSailUniversity that pretend to be able to mobile engineer, and then theres people who know javascript and angular or react native that might pass as a mobile engineer at some companies that arent trying to do native apps, and then theres the rest of us that went to a prestigious ivy league school, got a 4.2gpa in a very difficult engineering major like electrical engineering, and majored in a very difficult specialization like DSP and communication systems, information theory….and then was hired by qualcomm after a days worth of grueling technical interviews….and started a job…by pulling cables out of telco equipment to test fault tolerance…and told to get a masters and wait 2 more years before writing software…

…but then, basically gave the middle finger to the employer that was standing in your way of what you wanted to really do, took 2 software engineering classes at UCSD extension, motivated yourself to self teach yourself through countless reading, coding, hands on examples of prototypes, and often free work for your friends who needed help, or volunteer to do hackathon projects at work beyond your regular assigned work…and then through a little motivation, easily found someone to hire you because you demonstrated a lot more motivation than the average US worker that sits in their ass and lets their skills waste away. Had i known that, i would have skipped the fancy ivy league school, kept the $100k money my parents spent, go to a great school like UCSD or CalPoly San Luis Obpisbo , got the same if not better education for 1/4 the cost with a merit based scholarship, and come out with the same outcome …of making more money from stock market and real estate….so that it allows me to do what i enjoy doing…software and fixing cars…..

.. in other words, i have no career advice for you…because im pretty fucked up…[/quote]

I appreciate your unique journey/story. But was mainly curious what background you expect when you hire for those “mobile” positions. But relating to your story, yes not only is Ivy league obviously way overkill for a job in technology, I would argue UCSD degree is overkill too. Or an Engineering degree at all. I mean Engineering degree is a good filter to ensure a candidate has a proven analytical and problem solving skills. But certainly little you learn in College is directly related to developing mobile apps.

[an]

[quote=deadzone]FLU is the one who uses the term, but yes there is ios and android, I would expect someone who is capable of programming on one could easily learn the other given some time. Also it seems obvious that you don’t go to college to learn ios or android specifically so that experience must come from industry.[/quote]
Yes you can, but then you’d start back at the beginning of your career. No one will hire you in at a Sr. Software Engineer or higher if you don’t know the platform specific things

[an]

[quote=deadzone]I appreciate your unique journey/story. But was mainly curious what background you expect when you hire for those “mobile” positions. But relating to your story, yes not only is Ivy league obviously way overkill for a job in technology, I would argue UCSD degree is overkill too. Or an Engineering degree at all. I mean Engineering degree is a good filter to ensure a candidate has a proven analytical and problem solving skills. But certainly little you learn in College is directly related to developing mobile apps.[/quote]
Of course. When I went to college, there’s no such thing as Android, iOS, Kotlin, Swift, etc. But I did learn object oriented design, how to think and solve problems, how to make things work and how to prioritize implementations in order to have a fully working feature at the other end.

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