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July 1, 2020 at 8:29 PM #818608July 1, 2020 at 8:44 PM #818609
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Participant[quote=livinincali][quote=spdrun]Since the US (outside of NY and a few other states) can’t seem to handle basic fucking precautions like wearing masks, the cynic in me says maybe it’s best to let it go, infect and kill where it may, burn out, so we can return to normal standards of healthcare. I can understand not liking full lockdowns, but I feel like the anti-mask, anti-science crowd has made its bed. Let them lie in it with a bucket full of bedbugs.
We in the NY area should just institute hard border controls to keep ‘zonies from coming in.[/quote]
The CDC itself doesn’t believe in face masks preventing anything. Handwashing it fairly proven but that’s hard to measure with viral photos, wearing facewmasks is easy. You can public shame someone for not wearing a facemask but hand washing not so much.
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Face MasksIn our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.
Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.
[/quote]Bottom line Covid ain’t going away and a vaccine is unlikely to work. It’s probably time to just live with it and let the cards fall where they may. Thinking another couple of months of social distancing and face masks is going to resolve it is a pipe dream.[/quote]
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
July 1, 2020 at 9:02 PM #818610scaredyclassic
Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru…?
IMO it is not even close to accurate count.
IMO China far under reported by 10 – 20 fold[/quote]
Excluding china, us still near top on per capita counts. Unless the whole worlds lying.
As the buddhists say, tho, how do you not burn when the whole worlds on fire.
We couldve done a more controlled burn…
July 2, 2020 at 9:08 AM #818613zk
Participant[quote=livinincali]
The CDC itself doesn’t believe in face masks preventing anything.[/quote]
That article said masks don’t necessarily slow the spread of influenza, not that they don’t slow the spread of “anything.” This coronavirus and the flu are not the same thing and they don’t spread exactly the same way. Here are the CDC’s recommendations regarding coronavirus and facemasks:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
It says we should be wearing masks in public.
[quote=livinincali]
Bottom line Covid ain’t going away and a vaccine is unlikely to work. It’s probably time to just live with it and let the cards fall where they may. [/quote]A vaccine is unlikely to work? Where are you getting that from?
July 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM #818616The-Shoveler
Participant4th of July pretty much canceled.
Really dumb IMO
This is already a real bummer all around but Cancelling the 4th will do little but just force people in even closer proximity to each other for longer in back yards etc..July 2, 2020 at 11:05 AM #818618outtamojo
ParticipantCancel everything so kids can have some form of school in the fall.
Our adult “leaders” have f*cked sh@t up.Who raised these losers?
July 2, 2020 at 11:54 AM #818620
CoronitaParticipant[quote=outtamojo]Cancel everything so kids can have some form of school in the fall.
Our adult “leaders” have f*cked sh@t up.Who raised these losers?
The same sort of people that would try tik tok challenge to pass a penny between two prongs stuck in an electrical outlet and eventually accidentally setting fire to a house…
I call this Darwin at work 🙂
July 2, 2020 at 1:14 PM #818621Participantha ha herman cain in hospital for covid after attending tulsa rally. maybe trump really will get infected from tulsa rally.
young people are largely democrat, republicans primarily the oldsters.
forget gerrymandering or ballot shenanigans…the ‘publicans need to keep these geezers alive to vote to stay in power! republicans should probably be more prudent with the masks and lockdowns. i could see a scenario where old people are afraid to leave the house to vote and arent afforded absentee ballots. that would be really funny.
riverside county regrets….the cost of being overweight and diabetic is coming home to roost. like saving money is good for weathering bad times, being trim and with a good body system is good for weathering pandemics; me, I’ll probably just die because i have so little will to live. i think i have very little fight left. great bloodwork, fit, but no desire for anything.
July 2, 2020 at 1:22 PM #818624ParticipantYou are out of mojo.
July 2, 2020 at 1:29 PM #818625Participant[quote=outtamojo]You are out of mojo.[/quote]
Motel, money, murder, madness
Let’s change the mood from glad to sadnessMr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’
Mr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’
Got to keep on risin’
Mr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’
Mojo Risin’, gotta Mojo Risin’
Mr. Mojo Risin’, gotta keep on risin’
Risin’, risin’
Gone risin’, risin’
I’m gone risin’, risin’
I gotta risin’, risin’
Well, risin’, risin’
I gotta, woo, yeah, risin’
Whoa, oh, yeahJuly 2, 2020 at 1:30 PM #818626Participanthow did i get so old and worn out
July 2, 2020 at 2:13 PM #818627sdrealtor
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=outtamojo]You are out of mojo.[/quote]
Motel, money, murder, madness
Let’s change the mood from glad to sadnessMr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’
Mr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’
Got to keep on risin’
Mr. Mojo Risin’, Mr. Mojo Risin’
Mojo Risin’, gotta Mojo Risin’
Mr. Mojo Risin’, gotta keep on risin’
Risin’, risin’
Gone risin’, risin’
I’m gone risin’, risin’
I gotta risin’, risin’
Well, risin’, risin’
I gotta, woo, yeah, risin’
Whoa, oh, yeah[/quote]Watched a couple great Doors documentaries on AXS last night
July 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM #818628DWCAP
Participant[quote=zk]
A vaccine is unlikely to work? Where are you getting that from?[/quote]
Google it. This is from end of April, but I think most of the concerns are still valid. It isn’t like we have not been trying to make a Coronavirus vaccine before.
“We’ve tried getting vaccines for coronaviruses before, particularly SARS and MERS. We just haven’t done it yet. We think this is going to be a hard effort.”
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/science/story/2020-06-06/race-for-vaccine
July 2, 2020 at 4:22 PM #818630Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]how did i get so old and worn out[/quote]
To be honest I think the stress of this whole thing is wearing on everybody.
July 2, 2020 at 5:35 PM #818632Participant[quote=DWCAP][quote=zk]
A vaccine is unlikely to work? Where are you getting that from?[/quote]
Google it. This is from end of April, but I think most of the concerns are still valid. It isn’t like we have not been trying to make a Coronavirus vaccine before.
“We’ve tried getting vaccines for coronaviruses before, particularly SARS and MERS. We just haven’t done it yet. We think this is going to be a hard effort.”
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/science/story/2020-06-06/race-for-vaccine%5B/quote%5D
Nothing in either of those articles says a vaccine is “unlikely to work.”
There is a lot of concern that finding a vaccine will take more time than we would like. There is concern that it’ll have to be taken annually or that it will not be 100% effective.
There is some concern that we won’t find one. That is possible. But likely? If anyone is saying that it’s likely that we won’t find one that works (and I haven’t read anyone saying that) they’re in the minority.
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